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Re: LMMS: Daimler vs. Chrysler- Revenge could be sweet
« Reply #60 on: October 30, 2008, 03:56:38 PM »
I can't get over how sticky that grass is when you get a touch offline.  Glad I don't have it in my garden, would ruin the mower!

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Re: LMMS: Daimler vs. Chrysler- Revenge could be sweet
« Reply #61 on: October 30, 2008, 06:02:07 PM »
More times from me....

I first took out the Viper for a spin, and it definitely didnt feel as responsive as the XFire. But after three 5 lap runs, and messing around with the tune slightly each time (mostly gearing), I netted a 111.932. The weight of this car really shows itself, as i couldnt take certain turns as fast as the GS or XFire.

Then i had gone back to my garage, and rebuilt my GranSport to spec, threw a setup @ it. Then went back to Free-Run. On Lap 1, i realized this thing is just about as good as the XFire (though weighing about 200lbs more). On my best 'Flying-1st-lap', i put down a 113.202 :o I could probably tune it a bit more, but i'll settle for what i've got. I ran the GranSport down to a 111.685


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Re: LMMS: Daimler vs. Chrysler- Revenge could be sweet
« Reply #62 on: October 30, 2008, 10:00:58 PM »
The Deep South

The whitewashed October sky reflected brightly in Mason’s sunglasses.  He took a deep draw on his Marlboro and let the butt fall to the asphalt.  What a wild 24 hours.  The text message, the envelope, the car keys, and the plane tickets… these had all culminated in The Challenge. 

The Opportunity.  To get even. 
 
With Him.

There was no way the day could get any better, Mason thought. 

Turning back to the garage, Mason came face to face with The Suit.

“Mr. Mason, I presume,” The Suit extended its hand to Mason.  “Your performance was exemplary today.  You have demonstrated that our choosing you was a wise decision.”

Mason took off his sunglasses and studied The Suit’s face.  Mason didn't shake its hand.  “And you are?”

The Suit scoffed, lowering his arm back to its side.  “Oh, my name is trivial at this juncture.  What matters is that your performance today has earned my employer a great deal of money.  This fortunate happening has lead to another offer being extended your way, should you still be interested.”

Mason didn’t blink.  “Go on.”

The Suit continued.  “The offer is this.  Another competitor in this event owes my employer more than just money and my employer intends to collect more than just a sum.  In point of fact, your participation would be the jumping off point of a much grander scheme.  A scheme to remove this participant altogether, if you catch my meaning.” 

Mason put his sunglasses back on studied his feet for a moment.  “Ok.  Who is it?”

The Suit responded, faint malice in its voice.  “Oh, you know them. Quite well, in fact.  Your employer, Top Boost.  Beat him, Mr. Mason.  Beat him badly.”

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Re: LMMS: Daimler vs. Chrysler- Revenge could be sweet
« Reply #63 on: October 31, 2008, 01:24:58 AM »
LOL, Blimey Drift, you couldn't hold on to that one for very long?  I'm guessing you don't work with any National Secrets or anything like that!

-K

Actually, I kinda do. I work in a fab shop. Most of the blueprints are protected by patents. Some of the designs I build are rather sensitive, but not national security sensitive.

But I gotta keep this thing fresh. Give ya a reason for coming back Kev.

Smoking fast times Switch. And I hope I can see some improvement from Chuck. Its a rather tough track on RWD. My problems come from overdriving it. Some time online might help you find the line and speeds to get that time down. Good Luck Chuck! (I couldn't resist  ::) )

Stay tuned for the side mission. I hope the recession hasn't hit ya too hard. Its going to take a large bankroll to pay for this one.  :o

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Re: LMMS: Daimler vs. Chrysler- Revenge could be sweet
« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2008, 07:43:01 AM »

Smoking fast times Switch. And I hope I can see some improvement from Chuck. Its a rather tough track on RWD. My problems come from overdriving it. Some time online might help you find the line and speeds to get that time down. Good Luck Chuck! (I couldn't resist  ::) )


   No Problem.   ;D  Unfortunately, I'm not set up at home for online racing.  I  suppose I could take a look at the AI's line on the track.  (Or is the AI line even worth looking at?)

   Mugello and I just don't seem to get along, at least in A class.  I remember running a Trueno and my Dino in B and having fun with them, but I'd need to go back and check my times to see if I was really doing any better or just enjoying myself more. 

   But, I'm pretty sure you're right about overdriving it.  I'm also probably overthinking it.  Whatever the cause, I am totally inconsistent.  I hit turn 1 too wide about half the time, still haven't figured out the best approach to 6 (late apex?), and tend to be too hot into turn 9. 

   FWIW, I built up the Gran Turismo for a change of pace (full weight reduction, full width upgrade, sport exhaust) and put the Ske universal on it for laughs.  That was quite a change from the Xfire, but after a few laps to get the hang of her, I ran a 118.048.  Now that's pitiful compared to the times I'm seeing posted on here, but I was running mid 118 in the Xfire, so it was at least some improvement.

   But I don't know how the hell I'm going to get another 3-4 seconds out of it.  If nothing else, maybe by herding her around the track, I'll get faster if I go back to the lighter Xfire. 


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Re: LMMS: Daimler vs. Chrysler- Revenge could be sweet
« Reply #65 on: October 31, 2008, 08:42:23 AM »
For me personally, i find Mugello to be one of my favorite tracks in FM2. regardless of car class (nothing higher than S please. :D) Team DMR host their own Racing Series known as the C.O.T. (Car of Tomorrow), and the 1st race of the Second Season was @ Mugello. And yours truly dominated in his spec DB9 (rules from Season 2 were: S950, Full Forza kit, Race Compound Tires. Cars that were eligible: DB9, Jag Coupe, E46 M3, Manaro, Carlton)

..i actually use this track as my first track to test all my handling cars. If i were to build a TT car, i'd use Tsukuba, but me running @ Tsukuba/TestTracks are super rare

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« Reply #66 on: October 31, 2008, 09:12:57 AM »
Good effort Switch.

Chuck, The only advice I can give for what its worth, is to keep hitting the apexs.  I always have to remind myself when I start getting a bit wild.  If you think you are braking properly sufficiently and still finding it hard to hit apexs, look at you set up.  Where I really struggle with RWD is when to put the gas on or even if you ever totally come right off it.  I am playing with keeping just a touch of throttle on through the sweeping corners to help the back come around quicker, but without loosing it.

Drift, Are we expecting a few curveballs in this one then?

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Re: LMMS: Daimler vs. Chrysler- Revenge could be sweet
« Reply #67 on: October 31, 2008, 09:28:16 AM »

   But, I'm pretty sure you're right about overdriving it.  I'm also probably overthinking it.  Whatever the cause, I am totally inconsistent.  I hit turn 1 too wide about half the time, still haven't figured out the best approach to 6 (late apex?), and tend to be too hot into turn 9. 


Turn 1 is usually where I lose most of my time, I nearly always mess my braking point up and brake too early... saying that after running here for a bit I've found braking just after the 100 meter board to be about right... Also most of the Mugello 'switchback' turns (2/3 - 4/5 - 6/7 - 10/11) benefit from a slightly slower entry and a late apex on the first turn as it enables better drive through the second part of the turn and down the following straight... Also its best to stay off the kerbs... they just kill your lap time here...

Hope that helps Chuck...  ;)


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« Reply #68 on: October 31, 2008, 10:32:29 AM »
Hey Bimmer,

U can haz Fry Day nao.
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Re: LMMS: Daimler vs. Chrysler- Revenge could be sweet
« Reply #69 on: October 31, 2008, 11:00:21 AM »
Before I run off to do the weekly errands, I want to ask a question to gauge interest.

Do you guys want to end this up on Sun or take another week with these cars?

Just informal, you can PM if you want to keep the thread clean. I just want to know if everyone is ready to move on to something new.

I can work on them a bit more over the weekend for sure, but I don't think they can last another week.

Plus it the 31st. Time to bring out the rust buckets.
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Re: LMMS: Daimler vs. Chrysler- Revenge could be sweet
« Reply #70 on: October 31, 2008, 12:42:59 PM »
Hey Bimmer,

U can haz Fry Day nao.

Boot Eye Kan Steel HAz Skool b4 Eye Kan git on mah tree-sissty n stoof

 :D  ;)
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« Reply #71 on: October 31, 2008, 02:31:03 PM »
I spend a lot of time on the theory side of things, and I've got one particularly good tip to share:

To find the fastest line around a track:

1) find the best, overhead-view, map of the track available. It's important that the map portray the width of the racing surface, not just a line. For our purposes, we can ignore elevation change to keep this exercise from requiring professional CAD software. ::)

2) start drawing a straight-line, using a ruler/straight-edge, backwards from the outside edge of the finish line. Make this line as long as possible until it exits the track, probably somewhere close to the middle of the outside edge of the pavement on the last corner before the start/finish straight. The longest line possible will be tangent to the inside of the pavement on the last corner, and this tangent point will show you the ideal late apex (see notes below re: exit speed)

3) from the point at which the first line exits the track, start another straight line, making it as long as possible until it also exits the track.

4) rinse and repeat all the way round the circuit.


This exercise helps break the habit we all have of apexing each corner individually at the approximate mid point. It also helps to emphasize the critical importance of "corner exit speed" versus "average corner speed." There's a solid reason behind the old adage: 'Slow in, Fast out!' ->It's because exit speed results in increased speeds all the way down the straight sections that follow combination turns, allowing you to cover more ground faster than the same car with a higher average corner speed.

Because of, and related to, the relationship of higher exit speeds to faster lap times, the fastest line around the track is the one that allows you to maintain wide open throttle for the longest period of time, and is also the one that allows for the highest exit speeds from combination corners that lead into straight sections. Drawing all these lines backwards around the track shows you, in a very simple way, the earliest point at which any car can execute wide open throttle (assuming 0 slip angle), theoretically resulting in the highest possible speeds on corner exit and ...

faster lap times!
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Re: LMMS: Daimler vs. Chrysler- Revenge could be sweet
« Reply #72 on: October 31, 2008, 04:55:49 PM »


and in white base


and topside
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Re: LMMS: Daimler vs. Chrysler- Revenge could be sweet
« Reply #73 on: October 31, 2008, 07:38:57 PM »
Slightly better time

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Re: LMMS: Daimler vs. Chrysler- Revenge could be sweet
« Reply #74 on: October 31, 2008, 07:59:59 PM »
 :o  I had a really great run [for me] with the Viper.  For some reason, that car suits my driving style.  Anyone else finding that car to be killer?

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