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JG4tr

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U Class
« on: February 04, 2008, 05:08:10 PM »
This thread will contain setups and discussions for the U class cars

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Re: U Class
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2008, 11:47:47 PM »
Okay, I thought that I'd start by stirring things up a bit with a U class car because it brings to light a little something I call Variable Spring Rate.

This is a misnomer, of course but, that is the overall effect of this type of combination of ARBs, Springs and Dampers. The idea is to match firm bars with a combination of soft springs and firm dampers. The result is that when initiating changes in direction, the firm dampers effectively cause a momentary increase in the spring rate but, as the corner is held and the damper starts to allow the body to roll over onto the soft springs, you eventually end up at your 'actual' spring rate.

This can be a very useful technique with high performance cars ( typically S class and above ) where the vehicle may be called on to corner at both 160MPH and 60MPH within just a few seconds. While a soft setup is better for a pure slow, twisty track and a firm setup better for high speed, the VSR setup gives you a bit of both, which makes it a good fit for a majority of tracks.

This is the setup that I ran a week or so ago at the Nurburgring so you might find that dropping the spring% or the rebounds by a percent or two might be better for tracks without so many high speed corners. I would encourage you to play around with the spring percentages and damper settings after you've gotten used to the feel of it. Ultimately, you may need to tailor the car to your individual driving style. You'll note that I typically leave the bumps alone and at fairly low settings to make sure that I don't slow down the car's ability to change direction too much and instead, make damper adjustments with the rebounds almost exclusively.The Mercedes CLK-GTR has a very wide power band so, I've geared it accordingly as a 5spd. That also makes it a no-brainer to setup the gearbox to be a 4 speed on tracks without similar top speed demands...

The Build : It's U Class so, that means every upgrade available for this one. I chose the Goodyear race rubber and the rims are 30R19 Fiske Mach Vs front and rear. They could be upgraded one more diameter to 295/25R20 fronts and 345/30R20 rears but I chose the lighter 19" rims and the extra sidewall flex that goes along with it.

The Setup:
Tire Pressure:
     Front:29
     Rear:28
Gearing:
     Final Drive: 3.20
     (1): 2.89
     (2): 1.63
     (3): 1.21
     (4): 0.99
     (5): 0.86
     (6): 0.82  ( not used )
Alignment:
     Camber Front:-0.8
     Camber Rear:-0.6
     Toe Front:+0.3
     Toe Rear:0.0
     Caster:5.5
Anti-Roll Bars:
     Front: 25.00
     Rear: 32.30
Springs:
     Front: 315.2
     Rear: 364.7
Dampers:
     Rebound Front: 13.0
     Rebound Rear: 10.0
     Bump Front: 3.8
     Bump Rear: 4.2
Aero Adjustment:
     Front: 331 (max)
     Rear: 661  (max)
Brake Bias:
     Bias: 45%
     Pressure: 98%
Differential:
     Acceleration: 30%
     Deceleration: 20%

For those of you who like to play along with a spreadsheet or a calculator, with a curb weight of 2464lbs that gives us a weight bias of 46.4% and a spring percentage of 55.2%.  Or as I would notate it in my setup savename: U NUBRING B464 S552 A2532

Have fun, drive fast and let me know if you have any questions or comments.

J
« Last Edit: February 05, 2008, 04:04:27 PM by JG4tr »

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Re: U Class
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2008, 09:49:06 AM »
It is highly likely that the above post was produced with a drippy jowl.

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Re: U Class
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2008, 10:05:08 AM »
We all have our little shorthands.  Admittedly, mine are more like TonkaD, TonkaC, FDog Minc, etc.
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Re: U Class
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2008, 11:35:08 AM »

U NUBRING B464 S552 A2532


 ???

That would be....
Class, Track, Weight Bias, Spring %, ARBs F&R      :)

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2008, 11:47:32 AM »
Wow....I'm getting detailed if I put a track type after them, or a designation.  600hp Tonka Laguna, for example, for a viper I put together for a 600hp SemiPro race.
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Re: U Class
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2008, 07:24:20 AM »
It's nice to see you have your own garage now Jay, I feel you will be teaching me quite a few things in the near future  ;D

I've been chasing you and Detrick 2006 in Exhibition mode and had great success with the Mercedes in the S Class races. Not a quick as you but I had some top 50 race times and also beat my previous best hot lap times on 10 of the 15 tracks!

So far, my U class car has been the McLaren F1 GT and I hasn't even occured to me to build out a "U" Merc. I'll give your setup a go tonight and let you know how it shakes out.
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Re: U Class
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2008, 12:29:03 PM »
I've noticed that you've been taking alotta time off your Exhibition totals lately. I look forward to hearing what you think of the car.

Incidently, what are you working on now in Exh? Are you doing it by track, by class?

I wish that the .net leaderboards would let you search by gametag AND most recent date to make it easier to find out what folks have been up to... ;)

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Re: U Class
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2008, 05:13:13 PM »
Incidently, what are you working on now in Exh? Are you doing it by track, by class?

I've been doing it mainly by class. I'm still looking at getting all my times in to see where I am and then I'll go back and try to improve any sub-standard times.

I would certainly hope to be in the top 40, so any help you give me will be much appreciated.
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Re: U Class
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2008, 07:11:23 PM »
I've just finished tonights Exhibition races session with my new U class Merc.

WOW  :o

I have to say Jay, this is some tune. I don't know if our driving styles are similar but the car felt comfortable for me to drive from the off, so I didn't adjust a thing and it beat my previous McLaren F1 hot lap times hands down. I ran seven U class races tonight and managed to shave a combined 30 secs off my U class hot lap totals, with 16 of them coming at the 'Ring.

I ended up in the top 100 for each race and overall I'm now sitting at #80. My rankings after each race were:

#85 - Nurgburgring
#96 - Mugello
#62 - Laguna Seca
#24 - Suzuka West
#74 - Sebring
#86 - Road Atlanta
#79 - Silverstone National

It just goes to show that you can make an average driver a lot better with a good tune  ;D
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2008, 07:43:25 PM »
Nice!  ;D

I'm very happy to hear that it's working for you. I guess I'm going to have to get busy and start posting up some more cars in the other classes now too.

I could have something that you might be looking for, do you have any requests??

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2008, 08:55:06 PM »
Is that a question for Moose, or any of us?  If it's the latter, I need some power builds.  I'm getting there with my Tiny Terror project for grip cars, but for power, it's basically M-inc cars at this point, and likely will be for a while.  I'll have to try this tune, since I can't get the Saleen S7 to bend to my will like everyone else can.
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Re: U Class
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2008, 07:27:13 AM »
I could have something that you might be looking for, do you have any requests??

Thanks for the offer. I'm turning to the A class Exh races next so anything in A class would be nice  ;D

Two question about the Merc setup.

1) How did you tune the transmission on the Merc, was it a trial and error thing?

2) Why the +3 toe on the front?
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Re: U Class
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2008, 11:10:53 AM »
Is that a question for Moose, or any of us?  If it's the latter, I need some power builds.  I'm getting there with my Tiny Terror project for grip cars, but for power, it's basically M-inc cars at this point, and likely will be for a while.  I'll have to try this tune, since I can't get the Saleen S7 to bend to my will like everyone else can.

Well, it was directed at M00se to help him in his Exh quest but, would indeed apply to all. Basically, I was looking for input to determine what would be the most helpful for me to post next.

Now when you say power do you mean POWER!?  While I have a few builds that are essentially grip builds with small substitutions to allow for a little more power, generally, if I go to a power track, I go all power and then add grip as PI allows. In other words, missiles.

I've got a really nice setup on my B class CRX. Its a RWD conversion with about 628HP, tops out at just over 200MPH at the Nurburgring, and is the easiest of all of my missiles to drive. In fact, since it tops out at about the same point as the Stingray, I'm considering building out another one with enough extra tire to use in A class and see how it holds up...

The next time I have my setup book, PC and some time all together, I'll get this one posted up.

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2008, 11:16:23 AM »
Hm....you've definitely got me interested.  I'm still figuring out how to drive a power car.  I'm basically looking for ideas that I can take online and be competitive, not 1500 horsepower on stock tires.  I can't drive those things anyway.  Heck, I can't drive Snyder's Stingray, and that's the definitive power build IMO-competitive, sane enough to drive online (if you have the skills), and smokes just about anything in the straights.  I guess I'm using "power" in terms laid out in the power vs. missile thread, but that's less a line than a group of large, amorphous gray areas with a good bit of overlap.
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