D-Class Muscle Inc. (Super Stock Series by Spanky's Speedshop)

[Blooze]

Lookin' good!

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[Fit4aking]

Finished all the D-class cars tonight.  Some suprising things popped up in the builds of the cars.  The Charger, yes the famed Charger, was able to take a bit of extra weight off, then add some power and still be a D400.  However the proof is in the pudding as the extra power did absolutely nothing toward making the car faster around the short track.  That led me to add power to the Chevelle and retest.  Same result.  This should only come into play on the longer tracks, but we don't have to run anything like New York or Road Atlanta.  Moved on to the 'Cuda and only applied the rear wing, nothing else aero.  Built it out to the proposed spec and ran it.  I had some hesitation about the Camaro's and the GTO as they start out pretty close to 400.  All of them had to go without much or any weight reduction as well as very little in the way of power upgrades.  The Z28 had the scariest build of them all.  I had to go without the driveshaft to keep it under 400 and that was just platforming.  No power, no weight redux, very close to stock.

Round 2 Boomslang numbers

Charger, 33.520
Cuda, 33.083
Camaro SS, 33.138
Camaro Z28, 32.634
GTO, 33.325

The GTO is heavy, drives heavy, and the time reflects it.  Of all the cars it seems to be the least competative but I'm sure I'll be proven wrong.

[Fit4aking]

Overall Boomslang Time Slip.

Camaro Z28          32.634
Shelby 500KR        32.891
Challenger            32.962
Boss 429              33.019
Barracuda             33.083
Camaro SS            33.138
GTO                     33.325
Chevelle               33.519
Charger                33.520

I'm gonna go through the cars one more time with the same build and toon at 2 more tracks before determining if they are going to get closer or farther apart on different track types.  Because I'm an oddball I'm gonna try and pick oddball tracks, not just the norm.  The older Trans-Am cars weren't known for top end so I hope to keep it on intermediate tracks or some of the short tracks.  I'm still havin fun with it so we'll see how it turns out.

[TheJohnNewton]

You going to add the Trans Am to the list now? 

[Fit4aking]

I don't know what class it starts out in.  I assumed D but without downloading I'm not sure.  If it is in D than abso-freakin-lutely.  I really like those cars IRL and the G-hawk really got me interested in Chassis Design (hence my fab shop for a basement)  As long as its competative with the rest of the cars its in.  That makes it an even 10 for the Super Stock Series.

Oh and it has to meet the criteria:  Over 3000lbs, 215 tire width minimum,  etc.

[TheJohnNewton]

It starts in D.  I was able to do all platform upgrades, the first weight reduction, rear wing and a few power upgrades and keep it in D.  Did a few laps on the new track with it.  Seemed faster than my 500KR but I only ran a couple laps each.

[Fit4aking]

Funny that's pretty much the spec I was after on the Series.  All platform for adjustability, rear aero to allow for tire width (215 min), and at least the first weight reduction (every little bit helps).

If you get a shot run 4-6 laps on Boomslang (32-34 secs each, 2-3 mins) and see if its on par with the others.  I have been running them with a "spec" toon as a way to baseline everything but it should be very obvious if the TA will be a sleeper or a slug.

My KR was fast out of the gate but by times the Z28 and the Boss are faster initially.  If the Firebird is what I hope it is we could see several cars in the high 32's on BS.  I'll add it to the list and see how it works on the other tracks when they get determined.

[TheJohnNewton]

I can run laps but not till tomorrow morning.  I'll probably give the Trans Am a workout on several of the tracks.  I'm curious if it will make a good Ring car as I still have a fairly dismal time posted on that track.  My tune for my runs on R America is a standard Blooze toon 54.5% but I bumped the dampers up 10%.  What's up with the floppy stock dampers on these old cars?

[Fit4aking]

They all used the same set of crappy Munroe Shocks.   

[Fit4aking]

Picked up the Firebird for some D-class fun last night.  It drives great and handles well.  I built it out to SSS Specs and its still heavy and the torque of that motor does bad things to the rear tires.  Its about as fast as the Chevelle and Charger on Boomslang.  I should have some time to run them again tonight on another track.  Hope they stay pretty even or its off to rethink restrictions.

Bring on the D-class Mongoose! ! !

[Fit4aking]

Set the Challenger, the Boss and the Z/28 against the sheeple online and all went well.  I was able to score second place on Silverstone barely behind a Charger (unrestricted build).  Talked the host into runnin Boomsland and pulled one out with the underpowered Z/28.  Finally I had the Boss fired up and ready to go on Road Atlanta, some 1st turn antics had me in 2nd but was able to run down 1st before the checkered fell.

I'm pretty sure these cars are competative after that showing.  I may need a volunteer to run a couple.  I'll gift the cars to you all you have to do is run them and give feedback.  Just 3 cars.  The Z/28, the Challenger, and the GTO.  On any track (except New York or a Speedway) Preferably one of the longer snakes.  Just as a referenced, unbiased opinion.

[Hoplee]

I can run the Challenger around if you like, but I'm not sure you could gift me one even if you wanted to since it's a DLC car. Let me know how I can help.

[Fit4aking]

I'll send you the build/toon as a baseline.  I figure I want to see how a standard car will do for now and let the adjustments begin if there is ever a challenge.

The Chevelle, Charger and Challenger are the only cars with *exceptions.  However, in my hads the cars are all pretty close.  Hence the additional opinions.

[TheJohnNewton]

I wish I could help but I've got 6 am meetings all week followed by class till late.  Then my parents will be in town visiting all weekend.  My Forza time will be non-existant. 

[Fit4aking]

TJN-Eww meetings!  No worries about the cars, I'm just offering up cars for the sake of additional input on them.  I'll nail down the build path for these cars.  Ran Road America against a power tooned Chevelle and Hop with my Trans Am, the car was able to hold its own but I let it get away.  The Chevelle was much faster than I was but the lack of tires on it limited its cornering and braking so I was able to reel him in even after I went off.  Straight away speed isn't these cars strong suit but I think they will be competative within themselves and online.  The restrictions I set were just RWD, Pre '76, and nothin else.  The lower powered cars could be lumped together in a 300-400 hp limit so that may be the largest "class" of this series.  The 400-500 cars will have a decided advantage on longer tracks but I was able to run my 290hp Z28 against the same Chevelle and Charger on Maple Valley Short Reverse.  Proving that even in stock power trim the cars will even out on the shorter tracks.  Instead of restricting the builds of the cars to a bunch of set things I believe that setting the series on shorter tracks exclusively the power will make less of a difference.  I'll get the build of each car up as soon as I get a chance.