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LMMS Crossfire - Enter the Dragon
« on: November 20, 2007, 05:21:32 PM »
Now, having run this a bit, rather than jumping straight in at the deep end as I did while racing Hop, Fit & TJN, I've finally settled on a tune which turns out to be very similar to by Twisty Base Tune. Still, it has turned out to be quick enough to flatter my driving which is all I could ask of it really :D


Power: 536bhp
Torque: 448 lb-ft
Weight: 3205 lbs

Upgrades:
Power: Race Intake, Exhaust, Ignition, Cams & Valves and PD Supercharger, Sport Engine Block
Handling: Race everything except Stock Weight Reduction
Tyres: Avon Slicks, Stock rims, width and size
Aero: Forza Front Bumper & Rear Spoiler

Tuning (F/R)
Tyres: 28/29
Gearing FD: 4.19
Gearing 1-6: 2.89, 1.99, 1.51, 1.20, 0.99, 0.84
Camber: -0.9/-0.8
Toe: 0-/0.2
Caster: 5.0
ARBs: 18.45/15.07
Springs: 560.1/418.0
Ride Height: 4.7/4.7
Rebound: 9.2/9.5
Bump: 4.6/4.8
Aero: 80/93
Braking: 47% Front, 91% Pressure
Diff: 50% Accel, 37% Decel

Unless I've missed something glaringly obvious, this should qualify for Drift's LMMS series. But, before I finish, here's a quick rundown of the pros and cons:

Pros:
1) It seemed to be pretty quick down the straight against the other LMMS cars I raced, at least almost keeping up with them. Now I've taken a bit of wing off and stretched the top 2 gears slightly, it should be able to keep up down the straights.
2) It feels pretty stable under braking.
3) The car is stable through corners, provided it's not provoked.
4) Acceleration appears to be good
5) Turn-in is predictable, although not instantaneous, but that's how I like it.

Cons:
1) Be careful of that throttle because this car can bite if you're not careful.
2) I suspect my tuning has not been enough to get it to handle as well as Hop's Viper.
And that's about it really...
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Re: LMMS Crossfire - Enter the Dragon
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2007, 06:51:57 PM »
I ran the Crossfire right after the Shelby. And it was keeping dead even with a pure power car. So its good on acceleration.

The first time I tested it was right after the Monaro. A real sticky car. The short wheelbase was giving me fits. It was reacting alot faster than the bigger cars.

And Hop's Viper can't trade for power. The only build for this series is stock weight, stock power. Anything else pushes it into S Class. If you can get this car to keep up with 295/335 slicks plus aero, you have finished your Master's thesis.
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Re: LMMS Crossfire - Enter the Dragon
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2007, 08:37:22 PM »
the viper does have an amazing amount of rubber on the rear... ;D

Nice Crossfire Spiny! I'll have to try it out sometime. Right now I want to find an American v8 that can knock off that Lexus!
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Re: LMMS Crossfire - Enter the Dragon
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2007, 10:11:08 PM »
Love the paint Spiny.  I haven't touched the paint booth since I set up several cars for this challenge.  Excellent times too.  I'll have a hard time gettin close to that.  Doesn't mean I won't try.  ;)
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Re: LMMS Crossfire - Enter the Dragon
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2007, 11:06:35 PM »
Already done Hop. Charger is in front for now.

Spiney, those are awesome times. Great job, man   :)

Running those laps with Hop, TJN, and Fit are really paying off.
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Re: LMMS Crossfire - Enter the Dragon
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2007, 01:55:35 PM »
Thanks guys, I know I lost about 1/4 of a second on the second "S" at Mugello, but the rest of the track was near my abilities so I haven't yet improved. Might have to try again, but there's an official S Class hotlap challenge to go as well, and I'd like to build out another car as well - at the moment I'm thinking Shelby GT500 or GTO.

The paint job is easily the most "layery" I've done, well over 1000 total and they're all circles except for about 2 or 3 where I was trying to get the edges married up something like. If you look at the front corner you'll see that there are some intersections which shouldn't be there, but I missed them - the front is worse than the back though. I also wanted to put some flames out of the "mouth" (front air intake) but they were so compressed it just didn't work. Same for trying to put a tail on at the back - again it just didn't work. I also considered putting some "eyebrows" over the headlights but with fire and tail not working I decided just to leave it be.
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Re: LMMS Crossfire - Enter the Dragon
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2007, 03:11:24 AM »
Considering the detail on the scales, we'll let you slide on the tail and the eyebrows... ;)

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Re: LMMS Crossfire - Enter the Dragon
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2008, 03:18:13 PM »
As promised, here's the Crossfire built out to the new rules. Of course, any extra speed I may have found is entirely down to the new green rims :D

Power: 495 bhp
Torque: 414 lb-ft
Weight: 3133 lbs

Upgrades:
Engine: Race exhaust, Cams & Valves and PD Supercharger (gotta love that sound), Sport ignition and Engine Block
Platform: All Race except Street Weight Reduction
Tyres: 235/40R18 Front & 265/35R19 Rear Avon Slicks, Blitz Technospeed Z1 rims
Aero: Forza all round!

Tune (F/R):
Tyres: 28/28
Gears: FD: 4.13
1-6: 2.89, 1.99, 1.48, 1.18, 0.99, 0.84
Camber: -0.9/-0.8
Toe: 0/-0.2
Caster: 5.0
ARBs: 19.85/16.17
Springs: 546.0/320.6
Ride Height: 4.7/4.7
Rebound: 9.0/8.0
Bump: 4.5/4.0
Aero: 125/150 (Full)
Braking: 46% Front/97% Pressure
Diff: 34% Accel/22% Decel

The tune isn't hugely different to the old tune, apart from a more open diff, full downforce and the rear suspension being much softer. To drive, the main difference is that the rear end grips much better, although oddly it doesn't have the understeer I was expecting. Generally, it's quite a nice car to drive now, which wasn't necessarily something you could have said before. :)
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Re: LMMS Crossfire - Enter the Dragon
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2008, 01:29:36 PM »
Dug this one out last night to race against Pete and set a time for the challenge. Turns out I was wrong when i said it didn't have slicks! but I also forgot that it had this much power and that it was this heavy.

So it really should have been slow at Mugello - instead it was almost as fast as that specifically tuned merc. It was also much more controllable than I remembered. Could be another one to dig out online. :)
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