[FM2] Supercars Racing Series (Previously S-Class Thunder!)

[bimmerlovere39]

Current stats & requirements in first post

[Blooze]

I was stumblin' about today and ran across a S998 Camaro that you had sent me quite a while ago - runs pretty good, but it wasn't tuned.  I can't remember what that was about...    (old fart memory)

Anyhow, then I got to looking at this challenge, and S class and being in Muscle Inc. and all and...
I guess I don't understand the premise for this spec...
or
Where are the Camaro SS, the Mustang GT, the Mustang Cobra R, and the Guldstrand? 

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[bimmerlovere39]

No clue what's up with the Camaro 

Um, well, it was a, uh... I think "Supercars" are some freakish mutation of the dead on arival ALS/600 spec...

I'm gonna have to think including some of the cars you mentioned.  One of the nice things about this spec is that it lets you take out some rarer stuff that doesn't qualify for Muscle, Inc or ALS (Ford GT, C6 Z06, Panoz, Series 1, Vipers), along with some foreign stuff.

In the future (this is only the second challenge now: I'm still trying to make sure everything's all nice and balanced.  I can see posibilities for more limited future challenges (IE an American faceoff at Rad America).

Food for thought... 


This is what I was going to pos up before I saw Blooze's post:

I'm putting the results of the first Supercars challenge in an Excel document now to get everything nice and graphed.  I'm attatching the files.  Anyone know how to capture a graph as a picture?

[bimmerlovere39]

One other note, Blooze: No Guldstrand as it isn't a factory car (it isn't right?  I'm second-guessing myself now!).  As of now, they are all factory cars.


I'm looking at this thing again, read through this post again, read Blooze's comments, and I think we may be in for a total rebuild of the series after this challenge.  Mainly, I'm thinking about bringing the cars "down" a notch: Take out the Carrera GT, the SLR McLaren, (at least) one of the two Diablos, maybe the Series One, maybe even the Zonda.  I might swap out the 993 911 GT2 for a 997 GT3/GT3 RS.  Possibly add in the SVT Cobra R.  The F40, XJ220, Diablo, and R390 all are at risk due to age. 

With those cars, I might require race weight reduction.  It'd kinda turn into some kind of modern Trans-Am or, more truthfully, something in line with Grand-Am/ALMS racing.

More food for thought.  I need to stop thinking about this and do homework.

But this is so much more interesting 

[bimmerlovere39]

This just occured to me: what would happen if the drivetrain options would open up?  Thoughts?

Thinking in a post here...

Possibility 1: No Change

Possibility 2:

Pagani Zonda
Lamborghini Diablo SV
Ferrari F430

BMW M3 GTR
Porsche 911 GT3 (997)

Ford GT
Chervrolet Corvette Z06 (C6)
Panoz Esperante GTLM
Dodge Viper GTS ACR

Honda NSXR-GT

TVR Sagaris
Lotus Esprit V8

Possibility 3 (AWD allowed):

Pagani Zonda
Lamborghini Gallardo/Superleggera
Ferrari F430

BMW M3 GTR
Porsche 997 911 GT3/RS
Audi R8

Ford GT
Chervrolet Corvette Z06 (C6)
Panoz Esperante GTLM
Dodge Viper GTS ACR

Honda NSXR-GT
Nissan Skyline GTR

TVR Sagaris

Lotus Esprit V8

[Drift2XL]

I like the lean towards ALMS/GT3. It opens up a few good possiblities. But some of the cars would need to neutered or removed.

Cars like the Ford GT, Carrera GT, Vettes, Vipers, and Diablos fit more along the lines of a GT2 class. While the BMW, 911, F430, Panoz, TVR, and Lotus would fit better with GT3 specs.

If your considering opening up some of the late model muscle, some of them don't have the tire to compete. and would be default missiles just to get to the top of S class.

Maybe a split PI class like a 925 GT3 class and full S class for GT2.

And just to back up you and Hop, AWD is outlawed in both of those classes. If we could de-Quattro the Audi, I would love to give it a run. But include one AWD and then there will be complaining for Lancers and Subies.

[bimmerlovere39]

A couple of notes:

if we move to the lower "class", the Carrera GT would be removed.

I think the Vette (isn't Lou Gilloti running one in ALMS GT2 this year?), and the Viper (they ran in GT2 back when it used to be "GT") would be ok.  The Diablo might have to go.

I'm thinking about it.

[bimmerlovere39]

Alright guys.  Let's just run it as-is.  I'll collect the data, review, interpret, and analyze the data to see here we go after this challenge.

[Blooze]

Perhaps this a different S class than I was thinking of.

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[Blooze]

Alright guys.  Let's just run it as-is.  I'll collect the data, review, interpret, and analyze the data to see here we go after this challenge.

I wasn't considering changing the challenge.  That is why I asked the question in here instead of there.  I was just curious...

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[Drift2XL]

We all know that the factory Vettes/Vipers were in GT2. But some privateers have run Diablos and Zondas in the Euro LMS. A Ford GT has been converted to GT2 specs for that series also. My point is that some of these cars have obscene (to me +650HP) to top out S class.

To race that against a 450-500HP 911 or BMW-GTR would be a farce. Missile vs Mugen. Pick your winner. I know that my Diablo GTR is sitting close to 700HP. The full grip Ford GT is around 650-675HP.

What I'm suggesting is a split series. Like what Dirt did with the different levels of ALS.

I was considering the same thing for LMMS. But almost all the cars, regardless of strength, all seemed to balance out. Lucky Me.

Let's give it a go as is now (too late to change ) and see if it all shakes out.

[bimmerlovere39]

Judging by the first challenge, the cars are well balanced over a variety of tacks... we'll see how they  hold up this week.

[Serial]

I know it's still early, but as of now there is not much activity in the current challenge thread.  My thoughts on this:

The current car list is comprised of 21 cars.  This is a daunting list.  I personally think it could/should be split into similar groups of less than 10 cars each, and just run one group per challenge.  The groups can also have overlap.

It seems you've already grouped them by country of origin in your list.  That is a feasibly way to group them...just run cars from one country each challenge.

More suggestions of how to group them:
-# of Cylinders (V8, V10, V12)
-Engine Aspiration (N/A, Turbo, S/C)
-Multiple combinations based off of engine placement and drivetype (RWD, MR,   MA, AWD, RR, etc.)
-Price
-Starting PI
-Weight
-Horsepower

Just some suggestions for you.

[fndrbndr]

Realizing that most specs are a constant work in progress, I'd recommend using some of those to pare down the challenges, not the spec.  For example, we ran just the vettes in the last ALS challenge.  You might have a "German Showdown," a Car A vs. Car B situation, or something like that.  Maybe a 10-cylinder shootout.  Look at the first couple of categories in career mode and you'll see a nice blueprint for this (though you'll want to avoid running a 911 against a stock VW bug like in career mode).

[Serial]

That's exactly what I meant fndr.  For the Challenges, not for the spec...sorry if that came out wrong.

I do, however, also think that the spec needs a little more to it than just 'Racing Slicks, S998'.  Something of either a HP cap, a weight restriction, a lower PI cap, or any combination thereof.  I am willing to assist in testing and developing a spec if need be.