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The R3 GT3 Hotlap Cup
« on: August 25, 2010, 04:52:38 PM »
There's a whole bunch of fun cars - cars that you recognize from T.V.,  cars that are fun to drive,  they're painted cool, they're all decked out and pretty much ready to go.  And other than a few races in the career, they go no where.  They in the middle of the R3 class Pi and fall victim to the Super Cars that are built to 800 Pi when it comes to hotlapping.  So, this is my way to sort of find a home for these cars, give them some purpose, and not leave them to be an incidental bump in the road toward completing the Career.

The short story is to set up a series of Vertical Hotlap Challenges that encompasses the FIL career.  As I have it configured now, there are 55 tracks that are a part of most of the environments.  Perhaps the biggest ommission are the homemade Circuits - Maple Valley and Camino Viejo...   I have visions of adventures...  stories repleat with pictures, say... like when we packed up the whole circus and went over to Italy to that little town... Positano.  Or when we all went out to Atlanta and ran both tracks.  Or down to Sebring, or out to California.  You get the idea.

Anyway, these are the cars that I have worked up right now.  Pretty much all US cars.  One of the things I am curious about is whether the R3 cars that start out as an S car will be competitive with the ones that start out as an R3 car.

  • 2008 #2 Dodge Viper CC
  • 2002 #42 Acura NSX
  • 2005 #31 Whelen Vette
  • 2004 #16 Cadillac CTS-V
  • 2004 #10 B2 Racing Mustang

There is also a handful of European cars that I have and haven't built yet...
  • #1 Audi RS6
  • #1 Audi S4
  • #82 Porsche 911
  • #24 Volvo S60 R

That makes for 10 cars - or maybe 11 depending on whether or not the R8 LMS Audi is deemed a proper GT3 car.   How they classed all those Audi R8s confuses me...

I know Fit is building a herd of R3 GT3 cars, and I think Barumba is as well - him being all ALMS crazy and everything, so maybe we can each run our competitions and compare how our herd stacks up against someone elses herd.l  Or just some plain old tuning challenges with cars from the list there.

While I am building the cars I am getting times on the 1 mile drag, the Sunset Oval, and Maple Valley Short.   Once I have them built and tuned so I can load them at willy-nilly from the Pivate Lobby races, I will begin.  I am planning my first competition to be at Road Atlanta - both tracks.

If the cars are competitive, I will set up an F1 like point system.  If there is a clear "LB" car in the bunch, the whole project may fall apart, or that car will be removed.  So far it is looking pretty good.  The #73 Vette has the top times so far, followed closely by the Caddilac and the NXS.

I have a worksheet for this but it still needs some setting up.  The one I posted the other day doesn't work too well.  I am pulling it.

So, anybody wanna play GT3 with me...

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Re: The R3 GT3 Hotlap Cup
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2010, 05:50:23 PM »
Turns out that the 2 Vettes were absolutely identical.  No sense in that.  So I scratched the #73.  That leaves 5 North American cars, and if we go with the LMS R8, there will be 5 European cars too.

That seems somewhat Symetrical.  I like Symetrical...

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Re: The R3 GT3 Hotlap Cup
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2010, 09:04:49 PM »
Yes, I am all ALMS crazy, off to Mosport this weekend. Meeting up with a pack of sports car crazy gear heads. Much fun to be had.
So, what structure is there for tracking this latest muck about. I will run as many of the ALMS GT cars as I can, so what tracks (if it matters) and where do we look for the results.
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Re: The R3 GT3 Hotlap Cup
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2010, 04:48:25 PM »
Yes, I am all ALMS crazy, off to Mosport this weekend. Meeting up with a pack of sports car crazy gear heads. Much fun to be had.
Ah, that sounds like a fine way to spend a weekend.  Be sure and get some pictures for us!!  And Have Fun!!
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So, what structure is there for tracking this latest muck about. I will run as many of the ALMS GT cars as I can, so what tracks (if it matters) and where do we look for the results.
And the answer is, you kinda sorta keep track of it yourself using the handy dandy spreadsheet that I have attached to this post.

What you have there is a variation of the Sheet that I am using to track my GT3 R3 Subclass.  (my version includes the tuning sheets and uses references rather than hardwired data.  It was more than 600k so I had to cut it down to get it on the board here.  Other than that, they are identical.)

I sort of proud of this lil puppy in that it has the ability to keep 7 tables with differing sort orders in sync at the same time.  You can change the cars I have listed for your own and so on.  This can be adjusted to fit any other subclass you would likel.  Just remember, keep the car names in the tables identical or the thing will bust.  I suggest that once you type a name in, that you copy it from then on out.

The little gold headed table on the first sheet is used to manage an F1 type point system.  (a sweep would be 550 points for the sweeper.)   The operation of the table is simple, but a tad complicated if you are not used to doing such things.  A few copys and a delete action are used in place of having to write a hellacious ugly macro to accomplish the job.

The process of the event is to run a vertical leap frog hotlap on one or more tracks, tracking times, total times, if you want, tracking money earned per car, and score the whole shebang with this point system if desired.  As soon as I get done with the shake down cruise and have everything tuned, the First event will be involve both of the Road Atlanta tracks.  My hopes are to really make it an event in this thread, with more than a few folks, or at least a few besides myself participating.

So, using the Points Table tool.  You should have the table you are working in sorted on the target track.  Let's say Atlanta Short in the QR worksheet. (Note: the QR sheet is currently sorted on MVS.)  When you are done, and the sheet is in the final order, then you...
  • Copy the Car Names to the first field in the Points Table.  Having the names sorted automatically associates the car with the appropriate number of points from the Main table.
  • The "Old" will then fill with each car's current points.
  • Now, copy the Trigger function at cell G24 to each of the cells in the "New row.
  • Now, copy the VALUES of the New row to the Xfer row.
  • Now, delete the contents of the New row, leaving it in the same condition it was in when you started.  Only now, the Points field in the main table has been updated with the results of your resently completed adventure.
  • Sit back and admire your work... ;D

These are some of the "Subclasses" I plan using this sheet to manage and track.
  • BTCC cars - spec built FF B Class Hatchbacks
  • S2000 cars - spec built AWD A Class Hatchbacks
  • R3 GT3 - maxed out R3 Class cars with the GT3 Body Type.
  • R3 GT2 - same as above but with the GT2 Body Type
  • R2 DTM - maxed out German Touring Cars.

There are undoubtedly others... I'm sure many of you have slews of ideas for class types too.  This sheet will work with them all.

Consider if you will - imagine running 2 or 3, maybe even 5, five lap races with each of the cars in your class - for me in this one, thats 10 cars, 50 races.  That is a good deal of practice for one thing - and there is this.  A 5 lap race on Atlanta Short pays $10,500 Cr.  That's $525,000 for the event.  Not bad...

So, that is what all this and that is...

I will be doing the final tuning on some of my cars - specially the Porsche for the next few days, then I'm gonna take off for Atlanta...

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Re: The R3 GT3 Hotlap Cup
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2010, 07:53:19 PM »
Sounds like something I could get behind and participate in.  Can't say I'll have the same symmetry that you do Blooze but I'll have one heck of a fun garage to say the very least. 

Road Atlanta huh, I'll need to head off there for the QR at some point so might as well stop procrastinatin and start earnin back the cost of buyin all these ready-made racers.
Go sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

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Re: The R3 GT3 Hotlap Cup
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2010, 04:50:35 AM »
Sounds like a load of fun. I have only dabled in a few of the ready made cars, preferring to roll my own. While at Mosport this weekened, I'll have to pick a few brains while in the paddock area and see if the guys at RLR BMW and Flying Lizard Porsche can offer any tips. ;)
Oh, my game monitor fritzed on me so am waiting on a repair part. Might be a while before im back in the seat. Hopefully next week (I'm off on a weeks vacation).
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Re: The R3 GT3 Hotlap Cup
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2010, 10:05:40 AM »
Heh - I'd like to talk to the husband and wife team that run the Fort GT. 

Enjoy the vacation and worry about the hardware later... ;D $


I scratched three of the cars in my GT3 herd as unsuitable, mostly because of tire width and a lack of grip.  They are the #82 Porsche, the #42 Acura, and the #24 Volvo.  Also, the Volvo sounded funny.

So now I am down to 7 cars and I am no longer symetrical...  :-\

Ah well... 

Oh, that Points Table thing is not working correctly.  I'll let you know when/if I get it sorted out.

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Re: The R3 GT3 Hotlap Cup
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2010, 07:10:57 AM »
I had predicted the Volvo would clean house on Amalfi due to having AWD and good launch out of turns.  I couldn't catch the Viper at all!  The back section of the track and the Volvo just don't get along.   I'll run it through and see how it fares overall but if it doesn't make huge gains on the short twisties it won't hold a candle to the others on any of the faster tracks. 

Total time differentiation is in the tenths of a second at this point, no single car is far and away better than the others........yet.
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Re: The R3 GT3 Hotlap Cup
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2010, 11:46:36 AM »
I have been messing with Flowing tracks only so far.  Not on purpose so much as that it is the luck of the draw.  The #2 Viper has emerged the clear front runner, but the #1 Audi RS6, the #31 Whelen Vette, and the LMS R8 are showing up a well contested second place.  I think the Power tracks and Twisties will tell a different story.   And the #16 Caddy is showing up well, as well.  Only the #10 Mustang is not faring well, and is pretty much holding up the bottom of the 3 tracks I've run.

All in all, I am liking my group of 7 right now.

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Re: The R3 GT3 Hotlap Cup
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2010, 12:22:48 PM »
Yes, I am all ALMS crazy, off to Mosport this weekend. Meeting up with a pack of sports car crazy gear heads. Much fun to be had.
Ah, that sounds like a fine way to spend a weekend.  Be sure and get some pictures for us!!  And Have Fun!!
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Well, I'm back from Mosport camp and race. What a fantastic weekend, the weather was phenomenal, the racing even better. Too bad the terrible shunt between the Drayson LMP and the Porsche 911 GT-3 Cup put an end to the race prematurely. The good news is, no one was hurt. Although 25 fence posts and 60 metres of guard rail will have to be replaced before any more racing can take place.
As requested, here is a link to the Mosport ALMS Grand Prix 2010, http://s205.photobucket.com/albums/bb154/barumba/Mosport%20ALMS%20Grand%20Prix%202010/. There are about 170 pics in the folder, once opened, just click on an image to enlarge for viewing. Feel free to download any that you like. The first 4 pages are mostly GT and Prototypes (good timing for this thread). Pages 5 and 6 have a few great pics of some very close quarter racing in Touring Car classes. Enjoy...
Here are a few pics to get you started...










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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2010, 12:30:09 PM »
And here's a few of the LMP cars strutting their aussum power at Mosport 2010...




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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2010, 12:39:38 PM »
And a few more pics of the fun class, Touring Cars. Lots of shoulder rubbing going on, and oh ya, meet my other neices....





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Re: The R3 GT3 Hotlap Cup
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2010, 07:34:45 AM »
First of all, let me commend you on your choice of nieces.  Well done!!  Eh, how many sets of Faulken tires did you end up buying?

It looks like Patrone walked up to ALMS and said, "I'll take one of each..."

That "Touring Class" looks interesting.  Who is is affilliated with?

Thanks for the Pics!

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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2010, 08:55:30 AM »
And a few more pics of the fun class, Touring Cars. Lots of shoulder rubbing going on, and oh ya, meet my other neices....


   Nice photos, thanks for sharing them.  I also liked the shots of the other *other* nieces (the energy drink girls).  One of them had some pretty impressive headlamps. 

   Barumba, I'm starting to get the impression that you are a dirty old man.  I like that about you.   :D


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Re: The R3 GT3 Hotlap Cup
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2010, 11:20:13 AM »
First of all, let me commend you on your choice of nieces.  Well done!!  Eh, how many sets of Faulken tires did you end up buying?

It looks like Patrone walked up to ALMS and said, "I'll take one of each..."

That "Touring Class" looks interesting.  Who is is affilliated with?

Thanks for the Pics!

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Thanks, Blooze, et al. I knew you guys would appreciate these photos. I hope you take the time to go to the whole album on photobucket. There are a lot of great GT class pics.

This race series has two GT classes. The big boys in the GT class are the Corvette, Ferrari, BMW, Porsche, Ford and Jaguar. Some races get Aston Martin. The GTC (Challenge) class are spec Porsche 911 GT-3 Cup cars.
The Touring Cars are the Castrol Canadian Touring Car Championship. Two classes, 30 entrants this year at Mosport.

Patron is the prime series sponsor the last couple of years, thanks goes to them.

As for the tires, two sets of Falkens, front and rear, same aspect ratio. Slicks of course. Soft but firm. At my age I need all the traction I can get. ;)

Hey, Chuck, glad you liked. I'm not a dirty old man, I just have a vivid imagination. :P
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