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The R3 Class
« on: March 23, 2010, 04:16:57 AM »
My class of choice for the time being.  Specially while I am developing my "Season" and its support structures.  Since having completed everything I have been working on a way to continue the game in such a way that it stays somewhat fresh, and so that I can continue working on my Leaderboard postions.

And the R3 class is my shakedown cruise.  I will talk about the software development elsewhere.  Since taking off on this I have managed to knock 220 seconds off of my overall time for the Circuit board and am holding position at 110.  To go any lower is going to require me to get through the 25's (minutes) that is 80 seconds away, and after having cleared 220 seconds out of the class, another 80 is going to come tough.

Things that I have working in my favor are, I still have a number of tracks that I haven't run the FXX on.  I am still searching for the car that can give it some competition.  The #33 Jaguar has beaten it out of the Snakes, and off of Kaido.  But the FXX wants a return match.  Another thing that can really improve my position in the class is for the rumor that all of the #16 Mazda times are going to be wiped.  How many of those to you think there are in the top 1000?  Yeah, right...

Another issue with the R3 class is a serious case of segmentation.  There are the Supercars, the FXX, the Konegsegg, and others that pretty much sit at the top of the class when the Mazda isn't around.  One reason is that they can be run up to 800 Pi on the money.  The race cars are either short of the mark or pushed out the top by the only mod they have, removing the restrictor.

So I had to set my software up so that I could segment the competition for QR, and, now, for the Season.  This is how I have it divided, (so far):
  • Supercars
  • GT2
  • GT3
  • National
  • Misc Cars

Most of these are self explanitory.  I do find it interesting that in the 50 cars that were gifted us as we leveled up at the start of the game, we got 3 of the GT2 cars.  Yet, in order to complete in Two entire events, we had to go buy a GT3 car.  Not a GT3 car in the lot!  (raise your hand if you own a #2 Viper...) 

Anyways - National needs some explanation.  I am holding this subclass for the NASCAR cars and the Aussie V8 Supercars.  I am hoping that they will be competitive.  But it is looking like the NASCAR cars may have an Hp advantage that is hard to overtake.  Both cars carry the same amount of grip.

And Misc Cars is where I toss the ones I haven't got in another class.  The Hyundai RMR is one of those, and since I don't want to mess the the SuperGT classes at this time, the Dark Fairlady goes in here too.  The Dark Fairlady is a heavy Snake competitor, however.

I shut down any more runs with the FXX until I am ready to wrap this class up.  It runs a QR that is a full 3 seconds faster than the next best car.  After that they are pretty well matched.  If I have set a good time with the FXX, then it is harder to muster enthusiasm for the track with another car.  You know deep down that the car doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of setting best lap.

My intentions are to share and discuss my tunes with these cars as I go through the class.  Right now I am working on the Perfect Dark Fairlady Z that us VIPs were gifted a couple days ago...

Off to the shop, and maybe the track...

Doncha just love this game?!!

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Re: The R3 Class
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2010, 04:17:50 AM »
These are the sub-classes I have set up for the R3 Class.


Supercars
       Car        
     QR      
QR Tracks
    Season      
2005 Ferrari FXX
170.517
468.417
##:##.###
Name
x
x
x


GT2
       Car        
     QR      
QR Tracks
    GT2 Cup    
2009 #40 Ford GT-R
173.827
479.577
36:32.774
2010 #33 Jaguar XKR GT
175.941
484.453
37:43.805


GT3
       Car        
     QR      
QR Tracks
    Season      
2008 #2 Dodge Viper CC
###.###
###.###
##:##.###
Name
x
x
x


National
       Car        
     QR      
QR Tracks
    Season      
2009 #2 Holden Commodore VE
176.979
###.###
##:##.###
Name
x
x
x


Misc. Car
       Car        
     QR      
QR Tracks
    Season      
2005 #46 Dark Fairlady Z
173.285
475.674
36:57.366


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« Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 10:56:27 AM by Blooze »
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Re: The R3 Class
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2010, 02:49:29 PM »
I was really tickled to see that we were getting the #40 Ford GTR.  I started trying to keep track of those people last year when they were featured at the beginning of one of the ALMS races.  They are a husband and wife team, and they've hooked up with a builder to run a somewhat unique car in a world full of clones.

I like that they are driving the car themselves and not pirating the Touring Car ranks over in Europe, or the FIA looking for hotshot roadracers so they can win.  The guy must have money, cause taking off with an out of the norm car like that has got to be expensive.

I haven't had much luck finding stuff out about them on the web.

So the car.  Interestingly, it has the worst grip of all the GT2 cars (that I have so far) yet it is knocking down the fastest times.  Second in most cases only to the FXX.  The Jag is faster on Kaido, and on the Snakes, but the GT-R is handing them their hats on all the Grand Prix circuits.

I removed the restrictor plate, added the brakes and the holeshot wheels, just like I am doing on all the cars.  That ran the Pi up to a healthy 797.  The car is an MR and they have been heaven or hell for me this year for some reason.  I lucked out.  The stock Bias was at 45, I moved up to 48 got rid of some that nasty rear bias rear end is a comin' stuff that they do.  This is pretty much a straight Tonka Toon without anything fancy.  48/56.5 with the ARBs inversed.  The transimission was a tad wierd - all the ratios and the FD down low.  I worked on it some.  The car has a .219 T/W so it is one of the stronger in the bunch.  Only the Saleen and the RMR Hyundai are stronger.

Heres the build sheet...

2009 #40 Ford GT-R Mk7
  • Hp: 619
  • Tq: 582
  • Wt: 2662

Gears
  • FD = 2.57
  • 1-6= 2.70   2.21   1.82   1.55   1.33   1.16

Setup
Wt Bias - SWR
48.00%
56.50%
Parameter     Front     Rear    
Tires
28
28
Camber
-1.1
-0.9
Toe
0.1
-0.1
Caster
5.0
ARB +40%
15.88
14.64
Springs +0%
722
782
Height
3.2
3.3
Rebound
9.1
9.5
Bump
4.6
5.0
Aero 80%
150
401
Brakes
46
100
Front Diff
na
na
Rear Diff
32
22
Torque
na


My damper agents have the dampers looking all strange instead of 2:1, but they were before the agents got started.

You can drive this car as hard as you want, but it seems to do better with a smoother approach, and letting the gears pull down a little.

So, there's the first of the GT2s... and one of my favorites.

And if you can remember, give a Root for Mr. and Mrs. Robertson at the next ALMS race you watch.  They're the ones that have their own drummer...

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Re: The R3 Class
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2010, 09:12:02 AM »
A few more notes concerning this car.  I took a run at pumping up the Aero on this to try to enhance the grip.  It didn't work so puffy, at least by my standards.  First of all, there was a rather serious hit to the top speed for only a couple hundredths increase in the G@120.  Then, the suspension was gone all wierd and I was going to have to spend more time trying to dial it in again, and I had it working good already.  So, measuring labor against gain, I put the settings back to how I had them before I got all fancy and shut the door on that particular project.

The car runs the Mile dash in 26.476 seconds and 184 mph.  It tops out on Sunset at 188 mph, so it gets all in fairly quickly. 

I really like driving this one.

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Re: The R3 Class
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2010, 10:16:08 AM »
The #33 Jag is another GT2 car and was part of the same spending spree.  I built and ran it out next.  Removing the restrictors bumps the Pi up to 801 and really chapped my ass.  Useless in two classes to my way of thinking.  But from a GT2 point of view, it looks like it will be able to run at both ends of the class pretty good.  This car, due mainly to the tires, I think - has some of the best grip of the bunch.  The Ferrari FXX has G@120 of 1.73, the Jag 1.72.  So all that it lacks on the top end with the restricted build, it makes up for in the twisties.  I set some pretty good times on Kaido and Positano, and ran the Mazda B9 thing out of the Snakes with it.  Unfortunately, this season thing, which I now call The GT2 R3 Hot Lap Cup is made up of all the long RW tracks that aren't in the QR tracks, so the Jag's aggregate isn't going to look to good, I'm afraid.

Here is the build with everything but the Restrictors.

2010 #33 Jaguar XKR GT
  • Hp: 521
  • Tq: 450
  • Wt: 2729

Gears
  • FD = 3.42
  • 1-6= 2.86   2.12   1.74   1.42   1.17   1.02


Setup
Wt Bias - SWR
50.00%
56.50%
Parameter     Front     Rear    
Tires
28.5
28.0
Camber
-1.0
-0.8
Toe
0.1
-0.1
Caster
5.0
ARB +40%
15.2
15.2
Springs +0%
771
771
Height
3.3
3.4
Rebound
9.5
9.1
Bump
4.8
4.8
Aero -20%
450
662
Brakes
48
100
Front Diff
na
na
Rear Diff
32
22
Torque
na


It gets 169 mph in 28.929 seconds and a max of 175 mph.  Not very strong compared to, oh... the Ford GT-R, but it is pesky quick on the tight tracks.

I am interested to see how it does in R2 against the other GT2 car up there - the #007 DB9.

:) $

Oh, the guys on the #33 team think it's not fair that their Cup Aggregate is carrying two defaults for the Le Mans tracks.  They want a do-over...
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Re: The R3 Class
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2010, 10:47:46 AM »
If anybody wants to build one of these and jump in compete in the GT2 R3 Hot Lap Cup, please do!  I'm sure there are plenty of ideas about how to Toon these beasties...

I have attached an Excel spreadsheet for tracking the time for the season.

Requirements are that the car have the Body Type GT2, and be Pi 800 of less.

You can run as many tunes per track as floats yer boat...

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Re: The R3 Class
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2010, 11:12:54 AM »
I have a few cars that may just make it through the R3 GT2 Hot Lap Cup.  I'll have a look next chance I'm on and have a run at a track or three.  Rest assured Suzuka will be on the list.
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Re: The R3 Class
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2010, 08:19:18 AM »
If anybody wants to build one of these and jump in compete in the GT2 R3 Hot Lap Cup, please do!  I'm sure there are plenty of ideas about how to Toon these beasties...

I have attached an Excel spreadsheet for tracking the time for the season.

Requirements are that the car have the Body Type GT2, and be Pi 800 of less.

You can run as many tunes per track as floats yer boat...

:) $

   So is the Ferrari F430 GT eligible?  If so, I might give that a spin.

   BTW, I've been playing some online recently, and decided to do some serious hotlapping in the lower classes.  Took my Toyota 2000GT in E class and worked my way through every stinking race (circuit).  Finished last night, and I'm sitting at 235 overall and feeling pretty proud of myself.  Then I look and see some guy named Blooze46 perched up there at 190 and over 22 *minutes* faster than me.  Damn ... where am I gonna find 22 minutes?!   ;)


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Re: The R3 Class
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2010, 09:48:17 AM »
Any R3 car is legal to run, but for the GT2 class it must have GT2 as its body type.  The #62 Ferrari 430 is a GT2 car.  We were also gifted the #92 BMW and the #45 Porsche when leveling up, they're both GT2s as well.

Good job and congratulations! on completing the E Class circuit board.  That is no mean task.  As far as that 22 minutes is concerned, check real close and make sure that a decert time didn't sneak past you.  It is pretty easy for one to get past you on races that don't have many laps - you can get busted if the AI was too close to you on the previous lap.  Decerts will add 10 min, Yes Sir - 600 seconds - to your time for that particular track.  Two decerts cleaned up would knock 20 of those 22 minutes out in a hurry.

I sent you a friend request 'cause I like to keep track of them what is chasing me...

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Re: The R3 Class
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2010, 10:29:11 AM »
Any R3 car is legal to run, but for the GT2 class it must have GT2 as its body type.  The #62 Ferrari 430 is a GT2 car.  We were also gifted the #92 BMW and the #45 Porsche when leveling up, they're both GT2s as well.

Good job and congratulations! on completing the E Class circuit board.  That is no mean task.  As far as that 22 minutes is concerned, check real close and make sure that a decert time didn't sneak past you.  It is pretty easy for one to get past you on races that don't have many laps - you can get busted if the AI was too close to you on the previous lap.  Decerts will add 10 min, Yes Sir - 600 seconds - to your time for that particular track.  Two decerts cleaned up would knock 20 of those 22 minutes out in a hurry.

I sent you a friend request 'cause I like to keep track of them what is chasing me...

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Cool, I don't have any friends.   ;)  Thanks, for the tip on the decert.  I didn't think I had any, but I'll give it a closer look when I get home.  I was basically just grinding it out on the last of the sidewinders and the hangar tracks, so it's entirely possible I missed one (or two).  


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Re: The R3 Class
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2010, 11:32:54 AM »
   I know it's bad form to follow up your own post, but:  Thanks for making me look more closely at my scores, Blooze.  I checked the leaderboards, and I had totally missed Positano Reverse.  So I'll have to run that one this afternoon and see where I end up.

   BTW, does anyone else think the 2000GT is one of the more fun cars out there?  It's underpowered but talk about yer momentum cars ...


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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2010, 11:41:55 AM »
Probably gonna end up quite a bit ahead of me...  there's a hell of a lot more than 22 minutes when ya take a Positano lap out of 30 minutes.

Good on ya...

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