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The Bench (Old)
« on: September 12, 2007, 04:29:43 AM »
Well this is my new shop.  Welcome! :)

Feel free to create posts and such in here, but try to keep the topic more or less pointed towards Forza Cars and Tuning if you will.

This thread is going to be pinned and live intermittantly, depending on the number of other projects going on around here at any given time.  lol - just like a real break room I guess.  Sometimes you just got to get up off your ass and go out into the shop and get something done.

I hope that you will join in with me and Dirt and help us turn this place into one of the premium Forza Racing sites on the Web.

We're gonna have a ball...  ;D

Then...


...and Now.


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Re: The Bench
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2007, 10:05:25 AM »
One thing I am finding out now that I have reached the age of 61 and not in the best of shape is that the cost of burning the candle at both ends is much more dear than it used to be.  Sorry for the apparent absence yesterday, but I was paying the piper...

I pulled an all nighter the night before, and yesterday I seemed unable to get more than 20 feet from my bed.  I know that distance, because that is about how far it is to the head...

I was going to discuss the "Wipe" this morning but that has appeared in another thread.

So, as soon as I catch up, it is back to the Wb project.

Oh, there is no "Spreader" sheet, only the dissertation on how to build one in the old transmission worksheet thread.  Somebody asked about that...
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Re: The Bench
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2007, 09:50:05 AM »
Okay, my allotted Morning Forza time is up...

Hopefully I will be able to get some in later tonight.

But I have to get some, you know, chores and stuff done.

Man, this game can take over your life in a heart beat...

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Re: The Bench
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2007, 10:15:39 AM »
Okay, my allotted Morning Forza time is up...

Hopefully I will be able to get some in later tonight.

But I have to get some, you know, chores and stuff done.

Man, this game can take over your life in a heart beat...

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Blooze, this is a shocking state of affairs. You mean.....

...your actually going to do something other then Forzicate?  ;D


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Re: The Bench
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2007, 02:58:18 PM »
Is that one of your old Goats up there, Blooze?  Looks like a beast!

I shot ya a pm.

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Re: The Bench
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2007, 05:33:29 AM »
Yep - that is my "Engine"  :D

You have to consider that I am standing there at 10800 ft. above sea level when you consider this build...

The block was a 1965 389 "YD" block out of a Catalina with AC.  That means it came with 11.25 compression and small valve heads.  I will save you the big long disertation on air speed and slow turning engines... :D

I had it bored .030, decked and align bored, with the oil galleys drilled and plugged.  Because 5500 was the max for the engine I stayed with the stock rods and pistons.  Pontiac engines get their life from being seriously under bore.  They don't need to turn fast.  A standard valve job was all that was required as well for the same reasons.  The bore put it to around 400 ci and a 11.5 compression.  I had to run two steps colder plugs to keep it from dieseling.

The cam was a Crane high lift, low overlap number, again a bottom end torque piece.  They became popular during the gas crunch of the early '70s because they improved mpg quite a bit, as well as the torque.  I got a set of Anti-pump up lifters, which in hindsight was a waste for this car.  But it was neat to say.  The ignition was MSD and Accel - I got tangled up in it once... it would snap your knees into the fender and make you feel sick to your stomach...

The T-400 had a B&M Shift Kit, plate and vacuum setup, a Holeshot Torque Converter, and just for drill - a slap shifter.

I started out with a 10 bolt 3.55 Posi, but it was too much and traded it for a 3:10.

Once I had it together, we drove it as the family grocery getter for about 5 years.  The only problems that I had was I had to clean the plugs real regular, and it ate U joints.  The combination of the engine torque, the holeshot, and the 3.10 with radial tires was tough on 'em.  I had the drive staft balanced after it was cut.  Part of the problem was that it was about 10" shorter for the T-400, and I think that changed the angle just enough to put the driveshaft slightly out of phase.

It would get about 25 mpg if I stayed out of it.  But when I wanted...   ;D

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2007, 01:32:44 PM »
It sounds like this thing was just as likely to snap your neck as it did U-joints.  I love it!

I'd probably have never touched the ignition again if I'd been bitten by that bugger.  I am deathly afraid of any sort of electrical current.  I get all nervous just going through the steps to jump a car, change a battery, or anything similar.  I'm really not sure where that comes from, but I did grab an electric fence once trying to open a gate..  Didn't hurt, but it sure scared me lmao.

You know what kills me though, is that I've got a puny little 305 sitting in my '86 Trans Am.  It has nothing extreme, Edelbrock Performer intake, Holley 600cfm 4bbl mech. choke carb(that will be leaving soon for a Rochester Quadrajet replacement, never should have removed the stock one... I've gone through 2 or 3 Holley's now.  Never again.) and Hooker Supercomp(I think) headers and Hooker Cat-back exhaust.  This thing will only get single digit mileage.  Most of that is because I can't keep my foot out of it, but even when driving normal, it only manages roughly 12-13mpg.  I am really going to be kicking myself when this TH-350 tranny goes in.  I have a feeling I'm gonna miss that overdrive, lol.

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Re: The Bench
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2007, 01:35:27 PM »
Ever accidentally become part of the circuit for the number one cylinder when checking timing?

Every time number one went off, so did I. My friend behind the wheel was laughing too hard to stop cranking the darned thing! I remember thinking 'This is mutiny Mr Christian!'
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Re: The Bench
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2007, 01:45:01 PM »
I had a good laugh at that Hop, sorry.

I'd have had a beating waiting on that guy, followed by a 12-pack I'm sure.

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Re: The Bench
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2007, 09:15:09 AM »
Nice Blooze.

I had a 1974 Nova when I met my wife.  It had a very interesting engine in it.  The summer I turned 20 bought the car and decided to leave it a straight 6 and just drive it for a while.  I had it painted, bought some Corvette Rally's, added a set of gears, gauges etc.  It really started to look the part.  Well it developed a bad case of blowby and really began using oil and just making a mess of under the hood.  The shop I was working for did a ton of buisness with a local speedshop and the owner (ex figure 8 and dirt oval racer) and I got to talking and he had some parts I could use.  I considered a V8 swap till I saw his recomendation.  He pulled out his old figure 8 cars engine and held onto it over the years.  I swapped some Saturday hours for some of his spare parts.  A Triple Deuce Offenhauser Intake manifold, a new in the box set of Clifford tru-dual headers and a ready to install 292 crank.  I figured that was a good start to wake up a tired ole 250.  I bought a new known good cylinder head, had the block sonic tested and began planning the build.  I ended up with a 302.  A 250 bored .125 over using 327 stock pistons and rods, the 292 crank, heavily modded head with a 495 lift high overlap cam custom ground by Lunati and a set of Rhodes lifters for an additional .030 lift at full oil pressure.  The carbs were sync'ed and flowed near 800cfm, more than enough for that little motor.  I had to rebuild a newer HEI distributor and upgrade it to MSD internals.  First run at the track it spun the #4 bearing and shattered the flywheel.  I had to take it all apart and have it balanced.  Nothing is as scary as seeing a $5000 bottom end sitting on a balacer spinning at near 10,000 rpm.  I wouldn't have believed it had I not seen it.  I had the flywheel and torque converter balanced as a unit and reinstalled everything.  It lasted about a year but heat build up and a thin block eventually couldn't handle daily driving.  It was a solid mid 13 sec full interior car, not bad for a half-dozen-buzzin.  I really miss that car.  I'll have to dig out some pics and post them. 
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Re: The Bench
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2007, 09:25:53 AM »
That sounds like quite the 6 banger.  A friend and I put a 250 that was bored .060 over into his '46 Sedan and we had heat issues all the time.  I'm surprised you got that much time out of it with a .125 punch out.

I always wanted to get aholt of a 292 and work it over for a '52 Sedan Delivery that I kept for some sort of project.  It still had the old 235 babbit beater in it and needed an engine bad.  Alas, the Mine closed down and the local economy went to hell in a handbasket before I ever got a chance to do that one.

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Re: The Bench
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2007, 09:33:49 AM »
Turbocharged Slant-Sick FTW!
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Re: The Bench
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2007, 09:44:22 AM »
Heat was an issue,  I had a set of ghetto spacer holding the hood up 1/2 inch in the rear.  I also had a block off plate that seperated the engine bay in 2.  It helped deflect head away form the air inlet and out the bottom of the car.  The floor board uder the pedals was always hot, hot ,hot.  It had an Aluminum 4 core radiator with a seperate trans cooler and I owned stock in Redline's Water Wetter.  I had a huge aluminum engine driven fan with a custom shroud as well as an auxilliary puller fan in front of the radiator. 

Now I miss it even more, I found the pics here in my toolbox at work.  Boy was she pretty.
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Re: The Bench
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2007, 04:38:51 AM »
Boy what a mess...

Got to looking around the shop this morning.  Cars shoved into every corner...  trash stacked up everywhere, parts boxes and packing stuff.  This rapid build out all the last two weeks has me sitting at about 8 half finished cars.  I hate that.

A big long list of "get back to it when I get a 'round to it."  LOL - like the poor little old Clio.

Hey!!  Now there would be a car to try the old Wb trick on.  Everybody always bitches about that being such a bear to tune.

Anyway.  I'm cleaning up starting today.  Each car to full completion.  Including paint and pictures.  There!

New shop rule.

If the challenges are coming too fast, then I'll just have to miss some.

I hate it when my garage gets like this...  In the old days, I would delete my profile and start again...

grumble grumble grumble... ;D

How are you guys this morning?

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Re: The Bench
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2007, 12:07:27 PM »
Blooze I loved my C-class Clio,  It was a beast and easy to drive.  I prostituted her out to a friend so he could win a European Challenge from the FM2UK board and I never got it back.  Word is he cleaned up but I wasn't there to confirm.  I have one in A-class but its down on power and trying to find the best grip ballance is difficult.  I can almost get it around as fast as my Opel Speedster.  However its nowhere near my Lotus Exige 240 Cup.  I think its too top heavy.  I'm untalented enough to tune it out.  Good cars though.  I love me some mid-engine.

Since getting caught up with the MI challenges and seeing how you guys tune and build cars my entire garage has become a jumble of WIP's.  Nothing quite fits the rules,with few exception, and most of the ones that do meet requirements are trade-off builds.  I don't have any purpose built cars (ie high power vs high grip, heavy vs light, etc)  I have started buying more stock cars to build but its gonna take some time to get it done. 

I have started to come out of my "all grip, all the time" shell and experiment with power a bit more.  Still can' convince myself to go for the scary fast builds yet.  In time, all in time.  I need to work on the nut behind the wheel the most.  It tends to come loose in the middle of a race if things aren't going my way.
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