C Class RWD Run-off

[BarbecuePete]

I've posted up the times for the cars i've run so far plus Fit's times, the E-type is ahead on the short tracks but its really close with only 2 tenths covering the overall lap times for that car, the 911 Turbo, Miura and 300SL with no one car dominating on all the tracks. On the long tracks though the Miura is well ahead of the others 2 seconds in overall lap time and 21 seconds in race time.

I've got the Corvette, XKR and Mustang left to run, I think the Mustang could go well on the short tracks as its an aero build but I think it will struggle on the longer tracks. The XKR I don't expect much from really, I think it will be fighting it out for last place with the 300ZX, the Jag may be dropped from C class if it doesn't go well the 300ZX needs a bit of a rebuild to make it feel a bit less sluggish but without losing too much power so I have something if LeMans ever crops up.

[Fit4aking]

I'm holding out hope on the Miura, still haven't taken the plunge with her yet but she's next on my list. 

While your at it here's some more info to populate your leaderboard with.  I like it, I'm either 2nd or last depending on your perspective.  Ya hear that Pete, I'm a close second!!  Sorry about the short hand for my Z times, it's late.

'05 Mustang
Tsukuba Short - 47.179 / 3:15.223
Suzuka East - 55.637 / 2:55.234
Motegi East - 96.665 / 3:21.218

Sebring Full - 146.036 / 9:53.643
Catalunya GP - 125.602 / 8:33.494
Sedona Full - 156.206 / 7:59.723
Silverstone GP - 127.342 / 8:37.801
Suzuka Full - 142.735 / 9:38.713

300ZX
Ts Sh - 47.260 / 3:16.595
Suz E - 56.060 / 2:56.417
Mot E - 97.358 / 3:23.081

Seb F - 144.835 / 9:50.141
Cat GP - 125.107 / 8:32.184
Sed F - 155.199 / 7:56.256
Sil GP - 127.161 / 8:37.769
Suz F - 142.603 / 9:40.846

[BarbecuePete]

The Miura is really nice Fit, the one I sent over to you is as I ran it so i'm interested to see how it goes it your hands, no real tuning on it at the moment except for tyre pressures and brake bias I think...

I'll add in your Mustang and 300ZX times soon.

[TheJohnNewton]

Not sure how far I'll get through these but I want to try some of the cars so here's a start:

930 Turbo
I went with a grip build, upgraded tires and trany, front aero, stock engine.  Only adjusted camber and tire pressure.

Tsukuba    46.823   3:13.185
Suzuka      55.968   2:55.072
Motegi       95.068   3:17.804

Total        195.859   9:26.061


Working on the Corvette now.  It's going to take a lot more tuning than the 930.  I've only run Tsukuba so far as I might tweak the tune more.  It's not that far off the 930 lap time but it's not as easy to be consistent.

Tsukuba  47.061   3:15.292

[Drift2XL]

I want to add about the "glitch".

1. the 930 Turbo can be glitched. I also believe that the Z can be also.

2. And most important. I really don't see any advantage to it. It just like an alternate build path.

When you remove the SC on the GT, you can push it back up to A600 with light weight and grip and make a really good grip car out of it. The problem is the the now famous AWD swap stigma attached to the car. Do them both and times will plummet for short tracks.

The reason I see no advantage is because of the Turbo. If you glitch that one and put it down in D Class. Its a real dog. Between the lack of turbo and now in comparison rather large weight, and add the fact that the stock gearbox is a really wide four speed, it won't go at all. I have to use the race gearbox to keep the revs up in my C Class grip build. Which is rather nasty BTW.

I think right now my C4 GS Vette is my best overall car. Tires, aero, and the heavy adjustable parts. Nothing else. But its so forgivable with the tall sidewall tires, you can get away with it. And because its one of the aero cheater cars (Vettes, Ferraris, NSXs, Most MR cars) the top end is really good for the power.

[TheJohnNewton]

Drift - I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about.  The glitch?

[Blooze]

Yeah, "the Glitch" and "Aero Cheater"

I don't have a clue about either...

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[BarbecuePete]

Drift - I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about.  The glitch?

Yeah, "the Glitch" and "Aero Cheater"

I don't have a clue about either...

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The 'glitch' is where you can remove the stock forced induction from certain cars. This lowers the hp and PI and can allow a car to be taken into a lower class or more 'grip parts' to be added in its native class. As Drift said it doesn't seem to give any advantage, just allows different builds. The Jaguar XKR i'm running in this test has the stock supercharger removed as I wanted to see for myself what effect this 'glitch' has.

'Aero Cheater' I think Drift is talking about the slippery aero cars, like the 2000GT and '69 Charger were in Forza 2.

[TheJohnNewton]

Oh ok, in that case I agree it's a build option.  The trade off of power pi for grip pi has always been an important part of the game.  The aerodynamics are part of the pi model as well.  You may disagree with some of the choices they made implementing the pi model but what's described above is not a glitch or cheating. 

[TheJohnNewton]

I've got the Corvette running pretty well now.  I actually had one lap at 46.882 on a prior tune/run but the time below is from the tune I ended up with as it was more consistent lap to lap.

Corvette C1
Tsukuba  47.061   3:15.292
Suzuka   56.025    2:56.069

And I just froze doing the Motegi run then got the RROD on reboot.

[Fit4aking]

Ran the Miura last night, what a fast car!  Pete's build and tune were great right out of the box but I did tweak a couple of things to suit my preference.  Clearly the car would have been faster overall as it was but it just wasn't mine.

Bumped the Final Drive up to 4.45
Decreased the Caster to 4.9
Lowered the Accel Diff to 35%

After that the car was stuck like glue and at least 100ft ahead of the AI by the first turn of every track.  Really makes the Z look like a slug.

Miura
Tsukuba Short - 46.938 / 3:13.694
Suzuka East - 54.968 / 2:52.977
Motegi East - 94.873 / 3:16.837

Sebring Full - 142.871 / 9:41.076
Catalunya GP - 122.876 / 8:23.109
Sedona Full - 152.815 / 7:50.532
Silerstone GP - 125.320 / 8:29.923
Suzuka Full - 139.959 / 9:27.252

May take a shot at the C1 next or start building out some FWD cars to compare with these times.  As much as I'd like all RWD cars a bit of diversity goes a long way.

[BarbecuePete]

Ran the Miura last night, what a fast car!  Pete's build and tune were great right out of the box but I did tweak a couple of things to suit my preference.  Clearly the car would have been faster overall as it was but it just wasn't mine.

Bumped the Final Drive up to 4.45
Decreased the Caster to 4.9
Lowered the Accel Diff to 35%

After that the car was stuck like glue and at least 100ft ahead of the AI by the first turn of every track.  Really makes the Z look like a slug.

Yeah the Miura is a quick old beast, The one I sent over to you is really just a build though, I only made a slight camber change, tyre pressures and brake bias before I ran it through the races so that I have baseline times to compare against. I think i'll try your adjustments as a starting point when I get around to the second part of this project which is tuning and re-running the cars again...

[TheJohnNewton]

Sounds like I need a Miura 

[Fit4aking]

Found myself in an open C-class room last night after accepting an invite for some private racing, what better time to showcase the RWD's!  I went with the ringer first to see how it would fare against an entire lobby of AWD's.  I was worried to say the least.  I started on pole at Camino Full and could feel the engines behind me just dying to run me over at the green light!!  Turns out the Miura has a decent launch and I made it through the first turn unscathed, a small miracle in itself.  By the hairpin at the bottom of the hill I only had one real contender and I broke early to ensure I wouldn't get punted and he ended up pushing wide, miracle number two.  By the time I reached the start/finish line I was 600ft ahead and pulling, after 5 laps I was double that.  When the race results posted on the screen the little Lambo was over 2 seconds faster than the next fastest car and nearly 4 seconds faster than the average finishing time, per lap.

While AWD may help a decent driver do great things in some instances, it won't always help you pull out a win.  I'll stick with the RWD's.

Oh, and the host immediately switched it up to untuned cars for the next few races, good times had by all.

[TheJohnNewton]

You're not kidding about the Muira.  I only had time to run one track before work today but it was a good one.

Miura
Tsukuba Short - 46.255 / 3:11.356

This was with a minimal tune, basically my normal start tune.  Changes from stock:
Front tire 29
Final Drive 3.93
Alignment F -0.9  R -0.7
Castor 5.3
Diff Accel  50

Build is no aero, race tires, two widths up front and one up back, sports tranny, street brakes, all other adjustable parts.

Plus the car looks pretty great.