Manipulate the Weight Bias (Original Thread)

[Blooze]

Well, I have dismantled the 911 to add Hp and Torque to it.  Now I will see if the 54.5 will handle less marginal handling conditions (swapped the slicks for some engine goodies)...

Well see how that goes...

And the Z06 too.

One other thing that I forgot to mention that is part of the test for me is to set an R3 car to 54.5 and run the hell out of it.  See what comes of it.

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Okay, the spreadsheet is attached to this post...

[Moosejaw]

Really enjoying this thread, and I shall be giving this some time over the weekend.

I plan to at least "tame" a Porsche of some description, an S Class Koenigsegg that I built before but has so much power it oversteers on acceleration all the time.

I might give that 1000bhp AB Flug Supra a shot as well.

By the way, I have a quick unrelated question that somebody may like to answer. Why would you set the front and rear camber to different amounts, say -0.8/-0.5?

[Drift2XL]

I can't speak for everybody that does use a camber split, but I use mine to help balance out f/r grip in some cars. Some of my set ups, like most of my MInc. cars, favor rear traction on exit. The less camber gives a little less rear side grip, but more straight off the turn grip. "forward bite"

Its also to keep a decent starting line patch, so I don't smoke the tires too badly.

If I didn't explain it well enough, tell me. I'll come back later and try again. Its late and 6AM East. comes too soon.

[bimmerlovere39]

Also, the lower rear camber makes breakaway more predictable, and more front camber improves turn-in

[Blooze]

Ah, both good answers.

The little experiment with the Z06 is just in its initial stages and it is wildly successful.  I reset the Wb and without any tweakage, went out and knocked a full second off my Atlanta Short time - on the second lap.  This was using the controller, which I find that I am losing skill with - I prefer the wheel now.

My tendency right now is to back off of this.  Or maybe discuss it in PMs.  I think it is rather significant.  And, although I do try to give most of it up for the sake of education, there is a competitive part of me that says "don't sell the farm dude..."

For anyone else that has been messing with this, what do you think.  PM me...

[Moosejaw]

Thanks for the answers to the camber question, I learnt something new (again!).

And Blooze, I think you'd be right to put the clamps down on the WB thing for now (still no name for the process?). A LOT of work has been put into by yourself and others (me included). I know it is not the be-all for the tuning process but this "new" system of car building as a starting point is way better than anything that has came before it. So if your suggesting we keep any further developments "in house", I totally agree with you.

[Blooze]

LOL - that is egg-zackerly what I am suggesting.

[TheTechnobear]

i'll go with the flow (my lap times suck either way )

ive still a whole bunch of stuff to try/look into.
just let me know, how you would prefer me to share this stuff with the 'in-house' pit crew.

[Blooze]

I those that have been messing with it have the info need to proceed with it on their own if they have a want to.  Any further discussion between the developers of it can go to PMs.

I think we ought to let this thread die.

As for what you share, I can't call that.  You can share whatever you want with whoever you want.

My idea was just a cautionary, I think we ought to put the screws down on it.  We know what is going on behind the scenes now... let it go at that.

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[Hoplee]

Awww, I was hoping we'd get to see a little more of your theory at work. My favorite car right now is probably my B-Class Dino. The setup I'm running is posted on FM2.net. It goes completely against your theories and runs really well. I would be surprised if the assumptions you've discussed here worked for it at all.

I'll try and repost the setup in the Garage soon, let me know what you think when you get a chance.

[Blooze]

Awww, I was hoping we'd get to see a little more of your theory at work. My favorite car right now is probably my B-Class Dino. The setup I'm running is posted on FM2.net. It goes completely against your theories and runs really well. I would be surprised if the assumptions you've discussed here worked for it at all.

I'll try and repost the setup in the Garage soon, let me know what you think when you get a chance.

See, there ya go - snoozin and loozin...

I'll look at it when you post it.  And, although the thought of spending money on one of those rankles, I may buy one to test it out, since you are the first nay-sayer to post.

Now, if you were to look at the spread sheet that contains previous builds you would find perhaps 27-30 builds that go against my theories.  The game itself goes against the theory, and that in itself is part of theory...

 

and... aha!  Shutting the thing down was designed to pick off the lurking parasites... it appears to be working

[TheTechnobear]

i'll have a quick go as well- is on my list anyway, all my euro classics are.
and i have all possible parts for the dino on my dev car, ive also got one of your builds hoplee, one of the later ones - probably not the 'latest and greatest' - i'll use same upgrade list, to keep comparison to setup rather than builf

i wont be as fast as you, but i can compare my own times with each build - im using mug short for comparison at the mo.
also blooze can probably get a better fine tune, but id be interested to see that too.

[Hoplee]

The only caveat I have for Blooze is that I use a controller, so the car may react differently to him.

[Blooze]

Here's some Dino stuff you might find interesting...

k, literally did this out of the box, 7 laps on each build, no testing, on mug short

build identical, it was the one that you posted straight after 'mission accomplished'

Mug Short, my PB 60.133 in Mugen Integra

hoplee build
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WD,Wgt   ,F ARB,R ARB,F SR,R SR,F RB,R RB,F Bump,R Bump, RH, F H, HP,Torque
42.00%,2342,18.47,13.97,355.6,361.4,9.2,8.4,7.6,6.5,4.2,4.2,325,273
my time 61.508

thoughts: very stable, really easy to throw around - def more time there. 
ive done a 61.4 before in it - actually id forgotten how much fun this car was
slight tendancy to oversteer - not a problem,  just its 'feel'

wb build,
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120% arb, 103% spr/damper, no bump adj
WD,Wgt   ,F ARB,R ARB,F SR,R SR,F RB,R RB,F Bump,R Bump, RH, F H, HP,Torque
54.50%,2415,11.27,13.50,460.76,384.67,7.3,6.1,3.6,3.0,4.2,4.2,325,273

note: all other settings as per hoplee build EXCEPT, i put toe to 0,-0.1 and caster to 5.3

my time 60.554!!!

thoughts:
more leaning to understeer, this could probably be reduced by reducing arb strength to 115(?)
also could probably reduce the downforce (or remove?) which id left for both tests at 100lb
again only 7 laps, so def more time


overall, well its certainly not slower, and i only did an 'out of the box' tune...
of course im not that quick, so hard to tell if it would work for you.
and it may depend upon the driver and style (and i use the wheel not controller)

you have to try and see... if you want a similar feel to the original build, then you may want to lower the ARBs, or perhap just reduce the wing a bit but settings are above to play with.

have fun

btw: I seem to have confused something that was not confused with my "lay low" statement.  Forget I said that.

[Hoplee]

I noticed that. The wacky thing about that older build is that the front bump is too high. It works anyway but I don't think it's as fast as what came later.

I encourage you to instead try 'Alternate FCT Build 1.0' posted in the Foreign Classic Garage.