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Re: The Bench
« Reply #225 on: February 23, 2010, 01:12:27 PM »
Made it home in one piece and only briefly hopped on Sunday night.  I was bushed!  After the way my week is shaping up I may need the stress relief tonight. 

Still loving the game, although I did see a preview for a new RPG that may see some action when it comes out.  I have a lot left to do in career as far as the events list is concerned.  I have a lot of grey squares and not enough blue ones.  My hotlap, car building, plan should take care of that but I completed most of the lower class races in Season Play so I need more specialists than anything to get the grid filled with completed races.

Lots to do!!
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Re: The Bench
« Reply #226 on: February 23, 2010, 05:05:48 PM »
Heh, I'm in the same boat.  I have a new copy of Civilization for the xBox sitting on the bookcase right now.  But there is just so much Forza work to get done, I hate to take time away from it.

I have 89% of the career finished now, lots of races scattered all over the place.  Luckily the only gray boxes I have already have a checkmark in them.  A little careful buying has made it so that I have been able to keep my cars under 136 (23 of those are a part of my Auto Museum)

So all I got to do is run around, tune 'em up and get the races done.  What did Phil say?  Each tenth of a percent is a race.  I got 110 races to go and that will be another large milestone passing.

Work, work, woik...

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Re: The Bench
« Reply #227 on: February 26, 2010, 08:59:51 AM »
Spent last night on the initial round of tuning on my three new purchases. 

The first up was the Scion xD.  In a nut shell, that car is going to get faster in higher classes cause it set a solid near 1000 time on Cat School with just a build and default trim.  I actually made is slower by biasing it and attempting to tune it. 

Next up was the Ford Fiesta.  A lightweight at 2111lbs but still able to punish the tires.  Its flirting with 49 seconds around Cat School at the moment with a good build, base tune, and a new line I tried through the downhill off camber section.  Couldn't be more happy with the car or more jealous of those that have the + version.  Should have picked that as my starter car.

Last was a HUGE surprise.  The '03 Focus.  After a lackluster stock first lap of 58 seconds I build it up and knocked 5 seconds off with just parts.  Default tune, well I set the final drive up a bit, had this thing spinning Cat Nat repeatably in the low 51.1xx's.  After slowing down the xD by tuning I'm half scared to mess with this little rocket any.  Made a few minor tweaks to the camber and to the dampers but no spring or sway bar changes before I started fighting sleep. 

E-class is going to be loads of fun, I already like it and I've only just started auditioning cars for short track FWD.  So many more holes in my garage to fill that I may be in E far longer than I was in F.  If this is any indicator of what to expect in higher classes this game is going to continue to open up for me as I progress into C and above.
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Re: The Bench
« Reply #228 on: March 03, 2010, 05:26:06 AM »
Well, I for one can tell ya that this last couple of weeks has been a pain in the ass - literally.  I had one of my special little "events" whilst putterin' around in my kitchen a couple weeks ago, and long story short, the final little bit of the episode was to drop dead onto my tailbone on the hard assed tile of the kitchen floor.  Now that has put a hitch in my git-a-long for sure, I'll tell ya.  It is just now getting to where I can drive more than a few laps without taking a break.

So, the driving end of things hasn't progressed very well, and stuff that I thought would be long done still has a ways to go.  As of this morning I stand at 96.4% of the Career finished, and that is where my focus is going to be till that is completed.  Then it will be off to finish the P2P boards and I will be done.

I got to speculating on how I would deal with the end of Forza designed projects and left to my own devices.  The whole business with the Private sessions has made that quite a bit easier, this time around.  I created a spread sheet for a "season" if you will, which in reality is a time sheet for all of the Real World tracks that aren't already covered by the QR tracks.  22 Races.  With the QR tracks and the 'Ring, 32 races.  I can track the times and money across the whole gamut.  With the addition of a "Sort" field, I can compare track and composite times by class and by sub-class.  For instance, the BTCC cars will still be B Class, but I can also segregate them and compare them within BTCC only.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes me to deal with a whole season.  How hard will it be to keep the interest up?  We will see...  it took me three days to develop the sheet using my Porsche 997 RS.

At any rate, I got a glimpse of how I will proceed once the boards and such are all completed.



Hearing, Listening and Hearing...  that has been a major contributor to my improvement as a driver lately.  And I am getting better - I can tell.  I can feel it.  Last weekend, listening to the V8 Supercars as they moved about on the track, especially during their special undercarraige shots and such.  There was a lot more of "Brake, Turn, Haul Ass" as seperate actions than I would have thought.  It is the same when I watch those Takata Track Attack videos.  Brake, Turn, Haul Ass.

I've started driving like that as much as I can.  Individual tasks rather than trying to blend them.  When I listen to the AI driving my car at the end of the race, it is the same.

Another thing that I have found is that if I let my engine rpms come down a bit before I start with the brakes, then I slow down a lot faster and sooner than I do when trying to go immediately from max revs to max brakes and down shifting.  Again, individual tasks...  Off the gas, on the brakes, down shift.  They work better when applied in succession rather than at once.  The difference in execution is miniscule, but when the seperation is there, things work better.

Working on those things makes the driving more interesting, and every bright green hint in my rear view mirror a celebration - I'm getting faster...


Home Track.  I've been thinking about that lately.  How would things be in my virtual racing world if I was located in, say, Atlanta.  Not far from the track... on quiet nights I could hear them, the engines screaming.

When I needed to test, I'd be there.  Every car I built, I'd be running it on that track, or on variations of it.  Over the years you can bet your ass I would get to know every nook and cranny on that track, and I would have learned how to get around it as fast as possible.  I would be good on that track.

So I wonder about how to do that - the concept of a Home Track, without it getting too boring...



Ah... this is going to be a good day.   A Forza day...

Need another cup of coffee first though...

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Re: The Bench
« Reply #229 on: March 03, 2010, 09:08:59 PM »
Dang Blooze must be pretty difficult to run any kind of good laps with a busted back side.  Kinda like after scootin up the way and takin out your spoiler.  Sorry to hear about the "event" and I hope they become less frequent and with far less collateral damage.

Can't say that I've gotten a whole heck of a lot done around the speedshop except run a couple of car on a couple of tracs.  I did enter a racing league to help bolster my friends list a bit.  Participation is on a volunteer basis so there aren't any requirements, which is nice.  I have run a couple of races from the events list as I gound my latest project cars fit the bill just right.  Couldn't tell you how far along I am but my list has a lot more check marks than empty slots so at least half way.

I hope to follow in your footsteps a lil and start up my JGTC builds in the next few days.  I really want to get started on them.  However something always seems to pop up and grab my attention.  Recently it was the Aussie V8's.  Yas Marina looks like so much fun and the scream of a well tuned muscle motor is hard to deny.  I may need to incorporate them into my R class line up.  Sure they may not be the best agains the FXX but dangit I couldn't imagine more fun than trying to pilot one of them around a bunch of the tracks.  They may make up the majority of my "unknown" tracks.  My GT500 cars for the Japanese tracks, my Stock Cars for the ovals, Road Atlanta, and Road America, a Ferrari on Mugello, the Aston on Silverstone, I'll squeeze the Fords and Holdens in somewhere.

I too will need to balance interest vs other upcoming and unforseen distractions.  I'm becoming quite the Forza ADD player, bouncing aroune wherever my interest lies at the moment instead of staying focused.  I'm working on it.  Funny thing is I love the lower classes, F - C but lose interest around A and S then it ramps up again for R3 and R2.  Then it falls off again after that.  I may follow the masses on R1 and X and leave them alone for a while.

On a more real life note I've found great interest in my coworkers Honda Challenge Integra and we are going to sit down and work out his real life suspension issues.  I have so much reference material from all things Forza that I may as well use it as it was intended.  So far I have several equations to determine the basic things on his car like sprung and unsprung weight and their relationships but it is a lot easier as I can take things apart and actually weigh them in real life.  I'll keep you posted if it works out.  I'm methodic and exact, he's a reall "gotta have it now" guy so we may butt heads quickly.  Who knows.

The home track philosophy makes sense I love running Suzuka, all three ribbons so if I had to nail it down to one it would have to be there.  As it works out I intend to run all of my JGTC cars, all the classes there, so I may feel the burn out if I overload it there.  I hope not, well not until I become the Suzuka Master.

Man I need to eat, perhaps there's some leftover lunch in the fridge, maybe flip on the coffee pot while I'm in there.
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Re: The Bench
« Reply #230 on: March 04, 2010, 05:24:24 AM »
The R3 class is one of the main reasons I went in search of a method to manage the subdivisions.  There are so many ways to fly and they are all called R3 - from old R4 cars that are barely bumped up from S Class to rogue R1 cars that are left with grip that is a good 40 points above the best of the rest.  The Aussie cars, the NASCAR rigs, the GT3, the Exotics and etc. and so on.  

For me, once I've done it, the FXX will probably own every time on the Forza R3 Board.  The only thing left for me and my interests is create my own board.

And it isn't just R3 - R2 is just as bad, and going the other way, so are S, A, and B.

Probably one of the things we will end up sharing is our Game Setup settings for our various subdivisions in the private races...


On home tracks... I wish I had the where-with-all to declare something like, "I will run nothing but Sebring tracks for the entire month." and stick to it. 

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Re: The Bench
« Reply #231 on: March 05, 2010, 05:56:05 PM »
There it is... Officially at 5:00 PM on the 5th of March, 2000 and 10 ...

I Am done with the Career and got the Achievment.

YAY Me!!!

I think I'll go eat a tater chip and drink a beer...

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Re: The Bench
« Reply #232 on: March 05, 2010, 08:34:59 PM »
Congrats Blooze!  Quite the achievement I'd say. 

I haven't so much as touched the Xbox in 3 days.  Someone thought it would be funny to drop the flu on me and I've been quarentined to my bed for the last two days.  Not fun.  I honesty don't rememeber the last time I've been knocked on my butt by the flu.  Guess I should have gotten the shot when my munchkins did.  I'll know better next time.

Now pardon me if just the thought of a beer makes me a bit queezy!

Hopefully I'll have the headache and the bodyache gone tomorrow so I can at least try to enjoy the weekend.  Worst case I'll pull up the covers and watch me some racing on SPEED. 
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Re: The Bench
« Reply #233 on: March 06, 2010, 04:28:04 AM »
That's good work Blooze, quite an achievement to get all that lot ticked off. I think I'm still sitting in the 50%s :-[

Hope you'rerecovered soon Fit - if it knocks you out that bad you know you have "proper flu" rather than just a bad cold.
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Re: The Bench
« Reply #234 on: March 06, 2010, 07:26:04 AM »
Thanks guys!  It is enough of a chore that I feel pretty good about myself this morning.

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Now pardon me if just the thought of a beer makes me a bit queezy!

Now that sounds serious.  You best keep the number for 911 written down and handy...

Seriously...  take it easy and get better.  No sense stressing yourself and having it turn into something worse.

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Re: The Bench
« Reply #235 on: March 06, 2010, 08:15:13 AM »
Well, there's a feel good and feel bad story for ya. Talk about a gamut of emotions...Gongratulations, Blooze!  and Sympathy, get well soon, Fit! Hope this cheers you up..
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Re: The Bench
« Reply #236 on: March 07, 2010, 08:21:49 AM »
It has been the functional equivolent to sweepin' the floors and reorganizing the tool boxes after having found all the wrenches and such, and about 3 trips to the dump haulin' all the boxes and crap away... (My Saleen F100 actually looks pissed everytime I use it to haul the trailer to the dump.  I guess it thinks such mundane chores are beneath it - "I have a supercharger, by Gawd!")

Anyhow, cleaning up the spreadsheets and figuring how to proceed from here.  I don't remember being done with the career this early before.  But then, there is not a leaderboard for the career this time.  Get a Gold Trophy on a race, you are done.  Back when it took 3 or 4 passes to get an acceptable time on a race, things went a little slower.

So anyhow...

Just a sec, I need to get a heater for my coffee, can I top you off too?

...where was I... oh yeah, plans for the future.  The very first thing is finish the P2P boards.  I still have two R# classes and X to go. 

Then it is going to be setting some personal rules about how cars are going to be updated or new cars built as far as the "Perfect Garage" nirvana is concerned.  Right now, with the Storefronts and Setup Manager I am as close as I have ever been.

Along with that, I will be starting my second pass through the Circuit, TimeTrial and P2P leaderboards.  (I don't plan to darken the door of Drag or Oval again)  Which class first?  You who know me are gonna think I busted an important part inside my brain pan...  I've decided to work my way down from X.  One of the main reasons is that I did most of it in a rather slip shod (one and done) manner with an untuned car.  But I got to messing around the other day and the only difference between my R1 Acura and my X Acura is a set of the heaviest most gawd-awful wheels you ever saw.  They're called "Mystic Spike" - you get the idea...  My thought is that by the time I'm done, X and R1 should be damn near the same, or R1 will be better 'cause my Cadillac is better than my new Acura.

There is also the idea of my reaction time and its improvement from piss-poor to at least mediocre.  I expect the upper classes to help with that.

I'm comfortable with that...  I don't have any feelings of procrastination or robbing Peter to pay Paul or any of the stuff that usually accompanies setting out on a task that you are not quite comfortable with.  Kaido, Positano, the QR and the RW Tracks will most likely recieve the majority of attention as make my second pass - fantasy circuits don't really impress me all that much and other than being an anchor to my over all time, I don't really care about them.

Hmmm, I got me some more of those Little Debbie Brownies and a fresh pot of coffee...  want one?

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Re: The Bench
« Reply #237 on: March 07, 2010, 01:53:01 PM »
Pulled myself out of a Nyquil and Motrin induced fog long enough to see what day it was yesterday and managed to stay awake as long as the sun was up and even a bit afterward.  Quite an acomplishment seeing as I wasn't awake for more than 9 hours total on Thursday and Friday put together.  However I was convinced I was on the verge of deaths door again this morning, no honestly mere minutes away from calling the ole "ecnalubma" (read it backwards to get the joke) with the worst chest and shooting arm pain I've ever felt when my wife, mother of three, mumbles over to me with her eyes still closed "its acid reflux, get over it!"  Guess pregnancy teaches women a few things us men have yet to learn.  I ate a banana and felt much better! 

Tried my hand at Forzacating last night.  The garage was still there, a bit dusty but there none the less.  All of my cars were in their proper place just where I left them.  All of the unfinished gems in one spot and the rest lined up, painted, prepped, and ready to go racing.  I took Pete's challenge and fired up the Mercedes for an Elite RWD run and then shuffled her right on over to the C-class World Tour.  The car wasn't as good as I rememberd it on the short tracks but it did okay on the Full versions.  However it doesn't have the pull of the Charger down the straights or the agility of the S204 in the twisties so there were only a few certified laps.  Next up was the Jag and I completely forgot it was a 4 speed.  I was reminded quickly when the dreaded "Daytona Downshift" stuffed me into reverse, oops!  All in all it was a good night and the Jag was ahead on most of the tracks, by a lot.  Can't wait to run my 05 Stang against the classics to see how it fares.  Until I'm up to it again it'll be couch rest and maybe some V8 Supercars.

No coffee, 4 days with no cafine means I'd be in shock if I had some now.
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Re: The Bench
« Reply #238 on: March 08, 2010, 07:34:38 AM »
Heh, Four days without coffee and I'd have more than a few issues...  probably be all bug-eyed screaming-meemees withdrawal - straight jacket and all.

I was looking for a car to run the P2P tracks in R2 when the Hyundai Genisis Forza build caught my eye.  The thing has a piss-poor top end, but it has a pretty hefty G@120 figure - 2.09, which is rather high for the R2 class.  I had driven the car back when the Hyundai Contest was going on and I remembered it handled pretty good right out of the box.  So I went and ran it on a couple of the tracks on Positano.  The transmission was wierd.  I'm not kidding you, it had a total gearing of 18.9 in first gear.  Vvvvmp and you're done.  And the wheels spun no matter what you did.  The only way to get going was to hit it and shift to 2nd immediately.  After a couple tracks where the thing was setting good times, I got tired of that silly assed transmission.

Now, this is a fantasy car.  It was created by the engineers or somebody at Turn 10 - it is typed as a Tuner, so somebody had built it out and painted it.  I would dearly love to discuss that transmission with somebody.  What a mess.  I ended up building one from scratch.  I found the point at which the Hp range was in its top 10%  (597 out of 663)  then used that point as an entry point for the next gear.  It worked rather well and only spanned about 400 rpm at the 5800 range.  The thing only has a wheel or tire upgrade so there wasn't even one of those bad Dino sheets for it.  I sort of extrapolated a dino sheet using the Torque and Power peaks and came up with a pretty flat curve for it.  It has a twin turbo so that sort of made sense.

The end result was a transmission that moved up and down through the gears without a bunch of histrionics - no lugging, no pegging the tach on a down shift.   And it came within 2 mph of hitting its max speed on the 1 mile drag.  Max speed is 165, I hit 163 on the mile.

Then I went back to Positano and started running times in the Top 100s  - landing right in the middle of all them boys with their Mazda R1 cars.  And it is doing the same on Kaido.  So far my times are almost all Top 100 or really close to it.

Just for drill, I went and tried Boomslang - I knocked .4 tenths off a 200-ish level time.  4 tenths is a lot on Boomslang.  Then I went over to the Positano circuits and took 30.079 seconds off my top 200-ish times for those laps.

So, now I got me a major twisty car.  It will be in your way should you venture out onto something like Road America, but if you decide to try to climb that mountain, you best let him go.  If you are looking for a Mongoose or P2P car, you could do a hell of a lot worse, and its not too pricey - $400k.  Here's the gears of my tranny rebuild...

Genesis Gearing
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  • 1-6= 3.06   2.24   1.75   1.42   1.17   0.98


Man, I love this game...  I've just been having a ball!

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Epilogue:  I finished up the Kaido set for R2 using the Hyundai exclusively...  My Kaido total is positioned #56 out of 34000...  that's pretty cool for an olde faught.
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Re: The Bench
« Reply #239 on: March 08, 2010, 07:23:39 PM »
I rather like the idea of a home track. Mine at this moment is Nurb GP.

Its old school. The turns have multiple lines. And depending on the type of car you're driving, each one will suit another. Braking zones are well defined, and not taken out easily ...... once you figure them out. For me its the curbing. Usually the starting point of the outside curbing before the turn.

Good job on finishing the career Blooze. I'm still around 33-34%. Damn EXORs and the multiplayer rooms. But I am done with all the R Class series other than the enduros. I'm wandering now, but I will start moving towards downing out S Class first, and then back to F and work my way up.

Hope you feel better Fit.
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