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GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« on: February 12, 2009, 09:30:24 AM »
How are preperations going for Sunday?  Is anyone planning doing all 25 laps without a stop.  I did 10 laps last night in the new Cayman running 1.26s & 1.27s and had 2/3rds of a tank left and about 35% wear on the Avons.  Touch and go I think.

Anyone fancy some racing on Saturday night?  Will be online a 8pm GMT, if anyone fancies it. 


Haven't raced online in many moons, so better get some practice of racing in traffic.  Did a bit of Banger racing IRL last Sunday so hopefully don't get the two confused.



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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2009, 12:12:26 PM »
I haven't tested, but was hoping that 25 laps would force a stop.   I'll try running stopless and see what happens.  Basically, if it's possible to run without a stop, I'd be willing to entertain a motion to require one pit stop over the course of the race.  1:27 flat seems like a good bar to set for oneself in practice with these cars.  I know Snyder will hit low 26's and possibly 25's if he gets free in space, and I expect him to qualify well, so that might be a good goal if you can already run 26's consistently.  I seriously doubt I'll be able to make Saturday practice due to a weekend game theory test.  Hope it goes well, though.  And thanks for working in the sponsor name!   :D
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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2009, 12:39:00 PM »
I haven't tested with the Lotus but in the past I've been able to go 25 laps (probably could have gone 26) on a couple of occasions.  I know I've done it in a B700 'Cuda and I think I managed it in and NSX once but don't quote me.

I don't know if a forced pit stop is really that necessary.  Usually, by the end of 25 laps the tires are pretty greasy and it gets pretty exciting when the guys with fresher tires start making up the time they lost in the pits.


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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2009, 01:15:59 PM »
OK...can a couple of people take the time to run this on their GT400 cars with and without a pit and post up their times?  I know I don't have time to do it...  :'(
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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2009, 01:25:07 PM »
I don't know how well this will aplly to A Class, but a few months ago a few of us ran 25 laps here in B Class. Pete ran without stops, I pitted once. It turned out that going without stops was quite a bit faster. Of course, that was with FWD though...
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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2009, 01:58:19 PM »
My best guess:
By the time the race is over, the tires will be red, which will cost a roughly 1.5 seconds/lap, based on a guess of 1 second per minute of laptime.  Assume a pit about lap 15, and that there is no loss until lap 15, at which point it begins linearly approaching 1.5 seconds/lap.  Assume a mean loss of .75 seconds per lap for the last ten laps.  That's 7.5 seconds.  An average pit stop loses roughly 20-30 seconds at Laguna, I'm guessing?  Assuming you can keep from stuffing it really badly, running without a pit stop would be a far superior strategy. 

The above is just my best guess, and is probably fairly conservative in its estimation of time lost from bad tires.  However, using the above concept of (mean X 10), the average loss would have to be 6 seconds per lap if the pit stop costs 30 seconds.  It would be four seconds per lap at 20 seconds.  I doubt that the cost is anywhere near that.

Also, if anyone has a best guess about a non-linear effect of tire wear, or any real-world experience with this sort of thing, I'm very interested.  This is me taking a break from game theory for five minutes to think about something else.  Sorry if it's a bit garbled.
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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2009, 02:55:47 PM »
I wish I had the time to run a some test laps before Sunday.  I was looking through some of the archived races over at Exodus and this race during the Spring Classic series was a 25 lapper at Laguna Seca in B700 vintage cars with no aero.

http://www.exodusracing.net/index.php/topic,1150.0.html

About half way down the page Serial details his frustration in trying to make the race on one tank of fuel.  I think about half the field made it without pitting.


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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2009, 09:00:53 PM »
About half way down the page Serial details his frustration in trying to make the race on one tank of fuel.  I think about half the field made it without pitting.

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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2009, 10:39:55 PM »
My fastest time so far in multiplayer room for this track is 1:24.8xx, and I can run low 1:25's pretty consistently.

However, i will not be able to make this race either, due to a family trip over the weekend.  Best of luck to everyone!

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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2009, 05:29:20 AM »
IMO Forcing a pitstop would go against those who are using harder tyres (ME  :P)  so I don't think it should be mandatory...

Plus my car is struggling round here... I can't get under 1:27.5  :-\

I don't know how well this will aplly to A Class, but a few months ago a few of us ran 25 laps here in B Class. Pete ran without stops, I pitted once. It turned out that going without stops was quite a bit faster. Of course, that was with FWD though...

Yeah I remember that one Spiny... I was much slower than everyone else in that race, pretty much my only hope of grabbing a decent finishing position was by trying to make it without pitting.

At the end Spiny was closing in on me really quickly as I was slower anyway and my tyres (Michelins I think) were pretty much gone by the end of the race, somewhere up in the high 80's / low 90's for wear %.




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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2009, 10:29:43 AM »
Allright....sounds like I'm going to have to try to find time for a test session after all.  It could be a lot of fun trying to hold that last hairpin with the rears 90% gone and a Bimmer on my butt.  It gave us a good finish last time.  Maybe it'll be a source of some more drama.  :D
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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2009, 10:35:04 AM »
I would be up for a test session tonight.  I haven't gotten any seat time this week so I will be running tonight for sure.  Tomorrow doesn't look as promising unless the session is REAL late... like a.m. Sunday late.

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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2009, 10:39:32 AM »
Well, my plans for today are:

12:30-3:00 Game Theory Class
3:00-go home, install new seat on bicycle, go riding with wife and neighbor
5:00-get back home, grill some salmon, broccoli, and some sort of carbohydrate for myself, wife, and said neighbor
6:30-agonize over take-home test in game theory while wife watches TV, unwinds with a glass of wine, or otherwise fails to hyperventilate in the manner that I almost certainly will.
10ish: wife goes to bed, and I break out forza for a little while before following suit.

Saturday looks similar, but working on campus til 5 or 6.  Oh, and I have to paint the prize car at some point.  I'm working on the california pizza kitchen logo....I'll try to have pics up soon.  (I know I say that WAY too often)  lol
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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2009, 03:08:27 PM »
I'm hoping I can make this week's race. If it was Saturday it would be a definite - Sunday night has provisional real life plans in place to start at 830, so that is a maybe. As those plans have been cancelled the last 3 weeks, I still can't rule myself out. So, basically if I'm on (and there's room) send across an invite.

Now for the maths bit with the fuel. Remember a few weeks ago when we tested at Sebring to see how far some of us could get on a tank of fuel. Well I got about a mile into the 16th lap, giving me a range of ((3.70 x 15)+1=) 56.5 miles. Now the Laguna race is (2.23 x 25=) 55.75 miles so it will be close to go without pitting, but doable. From recollection, the Miura was only on yellow tyres by the time it ran out of fuel (I'm on Firestones as standard, so can't really get any less grippy on slicks) and I don't usually start losing chunks of time until the tyres are orange. If I'm brave enough, I could attempt the race without pitting :-X
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Re: GT400: California Pizza Kitchen 100 at Laguna Seca
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2009, 01:52:19 PM »
I'm afraid i will have to bow out of tonight due to vomiting bug going around our house at the moment.  Will hopefully be okay for tomorrow.